British Politics

What do you think the Palestinians that you unconditionally support are? The Palestinians are ethno nationalist racists fighting to expel the Yahood; and the British "racists" are protesting to expel the Mooslems. Same ****, except Palestinians are much more violent. Their resistance involves widespread murder, rape, torture and desecration of corpses (which you are cheerleading); as opposed to the British "racists" which have not descended anywhere close to this level of depravity (yet).

Cheerleading the worst impulses of the vast majority of humanity; and then being selectively outraged at your countrymen doing a much milder version of what you cheer on in others doesn't make you progressive; it just makes you deluded.

This is the UK thread, so **** off to the Israel thread and take your Islamophobia with you.

Well, the regime didn't do any of this for the BLM riots of 2020, or the pro Hamas riots of the last year. So you are proposing an apartheid 2 tier justice system based on race/religion. Which is probably going to probably cause more problems than it is going to fix.

But I am sure the regime will try something like this; and will get predictable results.

There weren't any "pro Hamas" riots, and you know there weren't so stop lying, poster previously banned for racism Kelhus.

You know what'll totally stop the riots... rain. Riots only happen in fair weather. When it's wet out, it's not fun, and rioting is essentially recreational.

It's impossible to even suggest that you actually had too much unfiltered immigration in some areas?

What has inequality, housing, health and energy to do when people protest kids being assassinated by racial minorities?

Rioting, attacking cars and people and setting fire to a hotel are not "protesting".

The same people were nowhere to be seen when a white nurse was found guilty of killing seven babies, or a white Scot shot a class of children.

Would you support people attacking and torching Italian-owned cafes and restaurants around the UK and assaulting Italians?

nazis thugs ain't protesters.

They're nazis.

Enough is enough.

The people have spoken. They are t taking action to make sure this nonsense stops.

I think it's British patriots trying to take their country back. That being said, I don't like them acting like the summer of love people with all the destruction.

There are people with very legitmate issues with housing etc etc. Inevitably some of these will be drawn into supporting extremists and populists. A large part of defeating the extremists/populists is to deny them this 'soft' support.

We can argue they are wrong all we like but it's all pissing in the wind unless we offer real solutions to housing etc etc.

Most of the "right wing" rhetoric seems to be specifically against Islamists; and it seems the current crisis was caused by a brutal mass murder of children that was assumed to be Islamist inspired, even though we still aren't sure because the authorities insist on gaslighting.

It seems the main issue is the intrusion of political Islam (including but not limited to Islamic conspicuous dress, protests/riots, praying in the streets, gangs, political violence, antisemitic demonstrations, terrorism).

I am sure right wing populists are not thrilled with other immigration, as disgruntlement with immigration by populist right wing groups is pretty much a human constant.

But it does seem fair to say there is a specific tension between political Islam being practiced by recent immigrants and "indigenous" communities in Britain today. And obviously the British authorities are acknowledging this indirectly, by focusing so much about combating Islamophobia and protecting mosques.

I didn't see any Nazis. I saw people who are legitimately concerned about the deterioration of their country.

On the eve of yet another Middle Eastern war and now London is burning. The world is becoming a very dangerous place. Those who live for violence should be put on notice that will no longer will be tolerated.

Do you think people wouldn't care that an immigrant hacked kids to death if they just has cheaper fuel? Or they wouldn't be upset that thousands of children were raped by muslim gangs if only housing were more affordable? Or they would be fine with a terrorist deciding to blown up an arena full of kids watching Arana Grande if only they could get to see their GP?

There are three incidents, I could name a dozen from recent times.

Ordinary working people made their feelings known 15 years ago and they were dismissed and called bigots. They made their feelings known at Brexit and were called racists. The complete inaction by successive governments from Blair onwards has handed the real racists and fascists complete control of the narrative. I hope 1-2 people are engaging in a little self-reflection this morning and will stop sleepwalking into a situation where the real far right start to get a foothold in British politics.

When I see people attacking other people because of their race or attacking the police who are trying to stop them attacking people of another race, I see nazis.

Sure again, just dismiss the idea that taking in a lot of poor immigrants is a mistake to be fixed, don't even touch that point

Prove that, given Farage took 30% in European elections in 2019, when all the economic, welfare, housing, real wages and so on problems were smaller than today

Disagree if you want. I'm not trying to convince you of anything

If you think it's all gone wrong since 2019 then we disagree profoundly.

Dont take it personally but politically you are what I want to beat. I want to deny you the support of people who are really just legitimately angry about inequality, housing etc etc.

It’s all coming out now isn’t it? An immigrant didn’t hack kids to death because he was born in this country and is as British as you.

You can’t judge someone’s nationality by the colour of their skin or their name. unless of course you are extremely racist, in which case carry on carrying water for the far right extremists Elrazor.

You and people like you share some responsibility for the toxic atmosphere that exists now in this country, with your perpetual bleating about how immigrants are criminals that’s been found by studies I’ve posted here to be false.

LOOOOL London isn’t burning. You really are full of ****.

I understand what you mean but the way to beat me is the danish left way, IE admitting that too many poor immigrants are a curse to the nation, that integrating those you take in (which should not be too many) is a national security topic (and so mandate strict rules to them to comply with what is needed for integration, including language courses).

A fully fledged democratic socialist welfare state is completely incompatible with porous borders.

Where I sit I gain from uncontrolled immigration. It makes people who could otherwise vote left not vote or vote for the right. It makes people who would otherwise trust the government and delegate a lot of power to it feel the government is the enemy.

And as all upper middle class people I don't pay the price of uncontrolled low quality immigration. I don't live near them, my kids don't go to school with their kids, I don't get crowded out of social services because I don't have access to those anyway

That's too much like joining you rather than beating you for my taste.

I'm sure you will do well with labour though. Watching starmer bleating about making them sorry while being drapped in the flag makes me feel a bit nauseous.

Now that the UK is out of the EU I think the repercussions of whatever happens there will be less relevant for the EU.

That said I suppose people will watch what happens, after decades of political violence in the streets being basically exclusively leftwing in Europe, we have some rightwing rioting.

Btw fwiw my solution with the actual riots would be the same as always: the moment you start to destroy property or attack people police should use lethal force.