British Politics

another random person reposted the same tweet content, with minimal/no interaction by others, got 38 months

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/new...

Other content that person was sentenced for was about how to not be tracked by police to participate in PROTESTS, not in riots, in PROTESTS.

This is the judge explaining the sentence

“Following his posting of the message ‘That’s 100 per cent the plan, plus gloves. No car either so no number plates to travel and a change of clothes nearby your other posts on X made clear a desire to be involved in organised protests in Northampton and provided guidance to others on techniques to avoid police detection.

And other posts about PROTESTING under an immigration lawyer office. PROTESTING

this is a violation of basic human rights completly incompatible with civilized society, and it's VERY clear the government is doing this in order to scare countless others to speak their minds, which is exceptionally maoist/fascist. They are willing to arrest you if you try to organize PROTESTS if they can in any way link that to "racism" which they decide how to define.

These events are fully indefensible.

And this is cheshire police official twitter account posting a 3 tweets thread about a 55y woman being arrest for posting misinformation

https://x.com/cheshirepolice/status/1821...

If you don't think these events are of the utmost gravity, completly outside the line of what is acceptable of government, and most importantly very different from what was done when it was the left rioting , burning cities, attacking police officers and so on, i don't know what to add

Some spokeperson from London police went on video explaining how they are going to ask for extradition of people who break UK laws from outside the UK, which is another insane thing that's going on right now. Hopefully it won't find any country willing to do that but Canada might actually, given the same fascist attitude exists there wrt free speech censorship.

Btw this is clearly why if you have legal access to guns in your country, your very life and liberty depend on never giving it up, because you are just one election away from losing your basic freedoms otherwise.

Oh another thing, how comes the "crime" of tweeting stuff the government dislikes get sentenced in a week, while the assassination of 3 girls and the wounding of like 9 more is scheduled for trial in january next year?

I’m satisfied that guy committed a crime, but 38 months does seem quite harsh. Seems to be a kind of results orientated sentencing policy which is a bit troubling.

I would guess this is just a practical matter relating to the severity of the crimes.

It seems reasonable to ask for extradition of people promoting violence specifically in the UK.

I believe those convicted so far have all pled guilty. Anyone pleadung not guilty will get a jury trial which will take much longer.

lol? So israel can ask for extradition of everyone everywhere who ever posted pro-hamas or pro-intifada content? really? Trump DOJ could ask for extradition of anyone who say in the UK or Poland or Italy or Argentina wrote "good job BLM the police needed some kicking"? are we talking seriously or what?

ok thx that might be it

Yeah nevermind you’re right, I guess with the exception of very specific/targeted stuff.

This is exactly the same stupid question that the neo-Nazis on twitter are asking, who also have no concept of how the criminal justice system works, with longer waits for trials for those who don't plead guilty.

According to posts of yours, people "protesting" in this manner against the government should be put to death so you seem very confused.

Yes thanks chezlaw answered that already, sorry if i didn't think people ACTUALLY plead guilty, i thought that only happened in the movies

When you plead guilty you may get a lighter sentence than if you plead innocence but are found guilty, and lawyers advise their clients of this.

@willd

Still thinking no exceptional violation of basic human right is going on? presence at a protest that turns violent, proof you were NOT participating in any violence, and you get arrested anyway?

Luciom?

deleted my answer because i don't actually know the rules that apply in this marxist forum about the content i had written. Sent DM which clarifies there is absolutely no contradiction in my model, it's about what you can do vs a democratically decided policy that doesn't violate basic human rights vs what you can do when basic human rights are violated.

No, what you've argued for is a government's absolute right to sentence people to death in courts if they protest against official government policy.

No, I argued that if they violently riot jfc stop lying.

I also argued that political action to deny basic negative rights (like for ex asking to incarcerate the non vaccinated) should be banned which is a different topic

You argued that if they attack people or property it should be an automatic death sentence.

You also argued that if people don't agree with the rules and values of their country they should leave or face deportation.

What do you think should happen to

a) the violent rioters who attacked people and property, and

b) non-violent people marching against immigration, and

c) people posting anti-immigrant sentiments on social media?

Although it is sad to see Britain destroy itself in this fashion because it was such a great nation; at the end of the day if Britain's choose this path, then so be it. As an American I selfishly think we should encourage British people who haven't completely given up on Western civilization to emigrate here and continue participating in the Western liberal exceptionalism project.

Another potential positive of seeing this rapid self destruction in real time is that nations that are starting on this path, but aren't so far along, can see the end of the runway and course correct.

No thanks. I'd prefer to be part of a positive multicultural society and let the quasi fascists go to the US where they belong.

So it seems there is common ground. Let Britain go the way it is going, and the Brits that dont like it can migrate somewhere else in the Anglosphere*

*This really only applies to upper middle class and upper class persons who have skills/value to bring to other nations. The lower class Brits that dont like the way things are going are proper ****ed, but that is kind of how these things generally go. It is what it is.