Phil Hellmuth cements his status as the tournament GOAT
https://twitter.com/pokergo/status/15074...
If it wasn't for luck he'd win every one
I read an article about the WSOP fantasy draft and saw an interesting little fact that Hellmuth haters wont like:
Over the 12 years of WSOP 25K Fantasy Draft, Phil Hellmuth has accrued more points than any other player. Yea, more than people like Shaun Deeb who play every single event every year.
The tournament GOAT
I think we can all agree that Helmuth is the Greatest Of All Time, Since Ever.
The GOAT is up to his old tricks. Totally standard call with a 7 draw, with pot odds and Hellmuth could have a worse draw.
^^^ GOAT,SE
"you got to know when to hooooldem, know when to foooooldem, know when to waaalk away, know when to threaten to burn down the whole building with everyone inside iiiiiiit."
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Anyone who thinks Hellmuth is down lifetime at poker has to be forgetting that he had an invite to Jason Calacanis' private app game. Phil isn't the GOAT but he would have to be the worst player in history to lose in that game.
According to Hendonmob, he has played 450 tournaments, 1/2 being basically sit and gos because there are less than 50 people regged.
GOAT of tournaments?
Just lmao.
He has to be hugely +ROI in the WSOP over the years. However, he plays a lot of lowish buyin tournaments. There are other players who just play high rollers or $10K+ tournaments and play high stakes cash.
For some reason, I opened this thread and came across this gem. Hardly something to brag about. I can only come up with two titles worse than being NVG top poster and that is being top poster in the politics or the religion subforums.
The low point of Hellmuth's credibility , even worse than driving the Oscar Mayer weiner-mobile into a telephone pole:
Shilling enthusiatically for Decent.bet, which did not even have a real product iirc.
Truly cringeworthy, whatever you think of Phil's playing bility or personal ttributes.
He has to be hugely +ROI in the WSOP over the years. However, he plays a lot of lowish buyin tournaments. There are other players who just play high rollers or $10K+ tournaments and play high stakes cash.
He has a huge edge in these tournaments for sure.
Some of it comes from everyone at his table just wanting to play hands with him.
In cash games when he plays he almost expects people at his table to just donate a stack to him.
I read one of his books 17 years ago and he said he charged 25k for appearances.
On Stanford’s website Phil’s wife’s (they married in ‘90) bio says she graduated from U of WI med school in ‘93 then got her internship in ‘95. So Phil certainly moved to Palo Alto at a fortuitous time.
His ROI in the WSOP is huge with all the wins and top place finishes. I don't know if he makes a lot in appearance fees and endorsements now, but he did make large amounts in the poker boom.
What's the best guess about the part of tournaments he's cashed? Mine is maybe every fifth. So that would be one tournament a week instead of one a month. Lots of spare/study time anyway.
I looked at his Hendon Mob. He was grinding tournaments until about 2002. Since then he mostly just plays the WSOP. Played the WPT when it was on TV. Plays a few other events with $10K or so buyins in NLHE and mixed games recently.
He obviously has a lot of $s from the WSOP and sponsorships, mostly in the past. He may still collect appearance and speaking fees and maybe gets invited to soft private games being a big name and not all that good at cash. He was never a good high stakes cash player, and I don't think he plays much public cash games.
I looked at his Hendon Mob. He was grinding tournaments until about 2002. Since then he mostly just plays the WSOP. Played the WPT when it was on TV. Plays a few other events with $10K or so buyins in NLHE and mixed games recently.
He obviously has a lot of $s from the WSOP and sponsorships, mostly in the past. He may still collect appearance and speaking fees and maybe gets invited to soft private games being a big name and not all that good at cash. He was never a good high stakes cash player,
If I was him I'd never play in a public cash game.
Why would he? He can play a 2006 style and print money in juicy private games.
If I was him I'd never play in a public cash game.
Why would he? He can play a 2006 style and print money in juicy private games.
Yeah, that is probably why he stopped grinding tournaments in 2003. He could make more being a poker celebrity from private cash games and maybe appearance / speaking fees.
I don't think he could make that much in public cash games. He never was a good cash game player. However, he could do very well grinding tournaments. He has all these wins and top 5 finishes in $1K-3K WSOP events. He clearly has a huge ROI at that level, but can probably make at least as much on average at $10Ks, etc.
It used to be all his bracelets were in holdem, but like most old school players, his holdem play hasn't kept up. So he has recent bracelets in razz and NL2-7. Those are both games were reads are really important. Razz is game where reads are important, as someone's board may look strong but he paired. NL2-7 involves big postdraw bluffs with air.
In any event, it is difficult to plausibly argue that Helmuth is the greatest of all time at poker tournaments in a world that contains Stephen Chidwick, Adrian Mateos, Ike Haxton, the Foxens, Niklas Astedt, and Artur Martirosyan.
In any event, it is difficult to plausibly argue that Helmuth is the greatest of all time at poker tournaments in a world that contains Stephen Chidwick, Adrian Mateos, Ike Haxton, the Foxens, Niklas Astedt, and Artur Martirosyan.
They haven't been around as long and don't have as many bracelets. He doesn't play the super high rollers with them much.
In any case, he played a zillion WSOP events for so many years. A lot of the best players didn't and don't play many tournaments. Anyway, they don't play $1500, etc. WSOP events.
He is a good player. This year he was 4th in the $1500 O8 / PLO8 / Big O event for $42K or something. He has lots wins and top 5 finishes in events like that, so he must be hugely profitable in them. Hugely profitable in $10K MTTs also.
He still does well in tournaments. However, he has never been a really top player overall.
He seems good at things business wise, playing the WSOP for bracelets, top finishes, and profit, and probably playing private games or whatever most of the time. If he played tournaments all year round, he would probably be a better player than he is.
He is kind of similar to Negreanu in that he is a TV pro who has been able to keep marketing himself as a celebrity. You need a personality, and most poker players are introverted and non expressive. You also need to be a good enough player to pull it off, but not good enough that you can make more by just playing.
