Slow played trips facing 3x pot jam on river
First time posting a thread on this subforum in a while, but I am a regular in the live strategy subforum. This hand is from stake.us which just started hosting online poker a few months ago. The games are extremely soft (and this is coming from a live reg who used to play Bovada 5NL). I can't download hand histories or use a HUD though, so please bear with me here on the typed out hand history.
Villain is a fish. I have a note on him that he is a loose aggressive button clicker.
9max 50NL
Hero is SB and starts hand with 270bb
Villain is BB and starts hand with 130bb
Hero has QcTs
Folds to me in SB. I open 3bb. Villain calls.
Flop: Th9d4h (Pot: 6bb)
I check. Villain bets 5bb. I call.
Turn: Th9d4h Td (16bb)
I check. Villain bets 8bb. I call.
River: Th9d4h Td 8h (32bb)
I check. Villain jams 100bb. Hero?
Would welcome feedback on earlier streets as well.
5 Replies
Flop is fine, when the turn comes a double FD you should probably just xr jam over his turn bet since he won't fold a FD and you unblock both of them.
As played I'd call.
I don't have 3x pot jam data but B150 is overbluffed and with the profile you mentioned I don't think it's a big stretch to say this sizing is overbluffed.
I think xr turn is basically mandatory, not the biggest fan of jamming, villain will likely be very wide here and I think against jam we start letting him get away from stuff. Feel more like 27-37BB raise over his 8BB bet.
AP I'm leaning towards fold without a heart. I mean it depends on the reliability of your read. To me this hand is very well played by villain sizing wise so if you're sample size is small you could just gave misinterpreted some high level plays as bad. Im not saying this is the case and if you have high confidence that this is a spewy fish it becomes a call very fast.
Flop is fine, when the turn comes a double FD you should probably just xr jam over his turn bet since he won't fold a FD and you unblock both of them.
As played I'd call.
I don't have 3x pot jam data but B150 is overbluffed and with the profile you mentioned I don't think it's a big stretch to say this sizing is overbluffed.
Thanks. After this hand, my first thought was that I made a big mistake by not check raising turn (there's no way I would have found a jam here in game but I think its a cool idea). I looked the hand up on GTOWizard afterwards and it was flatting all Tx outside of AT on the turn, which made me feel better. Even if that's true, I imagine raising is still a better play against this specific player type though?
I think xr turn is basically mandatory, not the biggest fan of jamming, villain will likely be very wide here and I think against jam we start letting him get away from stuff. Feel more like 27-37BB raise over his 8BB bet.
AP I'm leaning towards fold without a heart. I mean it depends on the reliability of your read. To me this hand is very well played by villain sizing wise so if you're sample size is small you could just gave misinterpreted some high level plays as bad. Im not saying this is th
I can't say with 100% certainty that my read is correct because we've only played together twice and I don't have too many showdowns. I do think he is obviously playing way too many hands pre-flop. It's definitely true that there are high level plays that I wouldn't recognize. It's also true that the line I faced in this hand (big bet flop, HP turn, 3x jam river) isn't something my fish opponents do very often and it is difficult to play against. The note I had on this Villain had a specific hand history where he min-raised me on the turn with an airball bluff and then bet half pot on river (I called with a bluff catcher obviously because wtf). A few hands before this QTo hand, I also saw him min 3bet pre-flop and then cbet bluff for 3/4 pot into 6 players on 943tt.
I agree having a heart would be good in this hand. Glad to see another vote for check/raise turn as well. I agree that I probably made a mistake there.
Thanks. After this hand, my first thought was that I made a big mistake by not check raising turn (there's no way I would have found a jam here in game but I think its a cool idea). I looked the hand up on GTOWizard afterwards and it was flatting all Tx outside of AT on the turn, which made me feel better. Even if that's true, I imagine raising is still a better play against this specific player type though?
Yeah it's always good to know the theory behind a play but vs fish we use MDA strategies and don't worry about theory.
Yeah it's always good to know the theory behind a play but vs fish we use MDA strategies and don't worry about theory.
Makes sense, thanks again.
Result of this hand was I folded river. Figured I could have boats and flushes and Tx with a heart and didn't have to defend against this huge sizing all that much. I also was thinking 3x pot jam is likely to be underbluffed but that is probably not true against a LAG fish/maniac type. Will be keeping an eye on this player in the future.
Also I don't think it makes any difference but this hand was played at 100NL, not 50 (just a mistake on my end in the OP).
Helpful thread. Trying to get better about picking out interesting/confusing hands from my sessions for review.