Live $200 KK 4bet pot

Live $200 KK 4bet pot

$200 double green chip bounty

40k starting stack
200/300/300 level

UTG +2 8 handed opens to 600
Next to act calls
BU (older man late 60's) squeezes to 3k
I cold 4-bet KhKs to 8k in BB
BU calls

Flop (17700): Jh 8d 6h
Check
He bets 5k
Call

Turn (27700): Qc
Check
He checks back

River (27700): 2h
Check
He jams
Hero???

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12 August 2024 at 03:42 AM
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As someone who has just left his late sixties behind I’d recommend folding. He always has it!

Seriously though, what hands does he get here with that KK is beating?
He has some sets,( JJ, QQ definitely call your raise pre in early levels, 88 might, 66 is possible) AQhh is there too.
You’re beating tens and nines, AQnot hearts, AJ, and AK.

It’s a pot sized jam, you need to be right about 33% of the time (he needs to be bluffing at that level for your call to be profitable)

See my first comment - us old guys just always have it :p


What was your thinking when you checked that river?


My thinking when I checked each street was that I didn't want to pile in 133 BB OOP against an old man with one pair. I thought his range pre was very narrow (AA, KK, QQ, JJ AKs, AKo, maybe AQs). On the river, I thought I win a lot when it goes check check, but wanted to evaluate depending on river sizing. When he jams, I think we only beat AKo with a heart. I folded, I'll post result soon


Against an old guy with capped range on that flop I don’t like checking back that flop vs him. I would have cb and barrelled turn hard vs him.


I don't get the flop check - If we are cold 4 betting we have to be comfortable playing for stacks on a safe flop with an SPR <2. Why are we suddenly trying to pot control oop?


by oldgoat k

I don't get the flop check - If we are cold 4 betting we have to be comfortable playing for stacks on a safe flop with an SPR <2. Why are we suddenly trying to pot control oop?

Yeah, he could have AA or JJ, but I would bet flop, as played checkraise it.


As played, I folded the river. Talked to him later on a break he said he had AK no heart


by provolonesocks k

My thinking when I checked each street was that I didn't want to pile in 133 BB OOP against an old man with one pair.

You've 4-bet the pot and are going to the flop with an SPR of less than 2. The time where you could avoid piling in money OOP in this hand has passed once you 4-bet and get called.

by provolonesocks k

As played, I folded the river. Talked to him later on a break he said he had AK no heart

Which is part of why you need to play your strong hands for value instead of as a guessing game.

Yeah, it sucks when he has JJ/QQ/AA, but there's also a certain point where you just have too much hand in too big a pot to let it go or play it passively. I mean, even though this was a bluff, the way you played your hand looks a lot more like AK than KK/AA so you might even get the occasional value shove from AQ on this river.

But also, from a hand-reading perspective, how many value hands go bet/check/shove on this board rather than going for value all three streets? Maybe AA (but the old man type we're worried about here pretty much never traps with AA pre). I think JJ and QQ just bet/bet/bet.


by deuceblocker k

Yeah, he could have AA or JJ, but I would bet flop, as played checkraise it.

I don't think an OMC calls AA here preflop, in my experience they always put in the next bet in these spots. I assume the villain to be flatting our 4b with a range of AK, AQs, TT/JJ/QQ almost exactly, so I think just c-betting flop here makes a lot of sense. You will stack QQ, get floated by TT/AK and only lose to JJ


Lol, just awful, weak-tight. x/c on the flop is terrible. Somewhat scary board on the turn. Just bet/bet/gii.


I don't see how river could ever be a fold with the line taken

We can beat some value

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