British Politics

British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

01 June 2019 at 06:29 AM
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What is gong on in GB right now? All of a sudden my social media feed is filled with all these stabbings. Is it like pit bull attacks in the US, where they are always going on but the media normally keeps it in the background, but occasionally it gets amplified and all over the place?


by Dunyain

What is gong on in GB right now? All of a sudden my social media feed is filled with all these stabbings. Is it like pit bull attacks in the US, where they are always going on but the media normally keeps it in the background, but occasionally it gets amplified and all over the place?

A combination of social media algorithms and bad faith actors amplifying everything.


Longish read but very interesting

I'd thought the Grauniad's shift in stance over the years from radical-friendly to middle lib was merely part of Overton but having read this I'm cancelling my subscription.


https://x.com/ByDonkeys/status/182348159...


The people believe all the parties to be ****, and the people are right. A very dangerous situation.


agreed very dangerous. Especially when the peopel are correct to think both main parties are ****

much more dangerous than a **** party in power with a good party as the opposition.


The fascist regime

Nottingham Magistrates' Court heard the posts were alleged to contain anti-Muslim and anti-establishment rhetoric.

Now some "real experts" will come and explain it's absolutely proper to sanction "anti-establishment rhetoric". Not fascist at all.

Or that the guy is "only" arrested and being tried because of racism, in which cash WHY does the BBC write about "anti-establishment rhetoric" and WHY is that a matter for the court?


by Luciom

The fascist regime

Nottingham Magistrates' Court heard the posts were alleged to contain anti-Muslim and anti-establishment rhetoric.Now some "real experts" will come and explain it's absolutely proper to sanction "anti-establishment rhetoric". Not fascist at all.Or that the guy is "only" arrested and being tried because of racism, i

best not dig any further hey? just go with bbc reporting?


by Doctor Zeus

best not dig any further hey? just go with bbc reporting?

That's state media writing as if "writing anti-establishment rethoric" was a crime. That's fascism.

I don't know what you mean with "dig any further", the reporting itself with that frame is the fascist act.


Given that (if i understand the law correctly) it is actually a crime to answer yes at any of these 4 questions, it's incredible how many people answered yes.

And i suppose it means the actual number of people who think that is higher



Disappointing lack of detail in that poll. Broken down by geographic area, rural vs urban, age etc would offer great insight.


by jalfrezi

Disappointing lack of detail in that poll. Broken down by geographic area, rural vs urban, age etc would offer great insight.

There is this


Here for the whole data, dunno how granular they are have to download and check

https://omnisis.co.uk/poll-results/np-20...


I've run a few calculations and it's a pretty disturbing set of results not as dimensionally asymmetric as I hoped. Perhaps it's a rogue poll from this new polling company.


The source of the problem remains...



by Luciom

There is this Here for the whole data, dunno how granular they are have to download and checkhttps://omnisis.co.uk/poll-results/np-20...

'Strongly agree' and 'Agree' are doing rather badly there, even among Reform UK voters.


by 57 On Red

'Strongly agree' and 'Agree' are doing rather badly there, even among Reform UK voters.

for actual serious crimes I find 20% of agree/strong agree quite absurdly high actually.

maybe I overestimate people?


by Luciom

That's state media writing as if "writing anti-establishment rethoric" was a crime. That's fascism.

I don't know what you mean with "dig any further", the reporting itself with that frame is the fascist act.

The bbc is (broadly) neutral not media of those in charge

The crime isnt what was reported on, but, what was stated in court.

You've made assumptions on the crime & the way courts work that favour your interpretation anr world view.

If a journalist wanted to rile up ppl like you they'd report it similar to this, and, spread it far and wide

I see only bad reporting


No that's quite wrong and has been for a long time. The BBC is very pro-government now, a far cry from the days when a newsreader turned to the camera and said the BBC had political impartiality written into its charter (in response to the Thatcher government complaining about coverage of the Falklands War).

That impartiality went south under Blair and his crew of media manipulators and is little more than a mouthpiece for nationalism now.


by Luciom

Given that (if i understand the law correctly) it is actually a crime to answer yes at any of these 4 questions, it's incredible how many people answered yes.And i suppose it means the actual number of people who think that is higher

Its not a crime


by jalfrezi

No that's quite wrong and has been for a long time. The BBC is very pro-government now, a far cry from the days when a newsreader turned to the camera and said the BBC had political impartiality written into its charter (in response to the Thatcher government complaining about coverage of the Falklands War).That impartiality went south under Blair and his crew of media manipula

Im more sympathetic than you are i think

I dont see it as a deliberate act, more that the bbcs definition of impartial is neutral meaning it sees the swathe of right wing media folk and has to equate them with lefties. Plus it then hired too many big wig right wing journos

But i see that more as organisational incompetence than anything else (like i see this reporting that's got lucioms knickers in a twist.)


by Doctor Zeus

Its not a crime

But it becomes one if you make those assertions in public?


so 2% think that attacking refugee homes is necessary but not justified, and 4% think that xenophobic acts of violence are defensible but not justified? i mean ... as long as they know, i guess


by Doctor Zeus

Im more sympathetic than you are i thinkI dont see it as a deliberate act, more that the bbcs definition of impartial is neutral meaning it sees the swathe of right wing media folk and has to equate them with lefties. Plus it then hired too many big wig right wing journosBut i see that more as organisational incompetence than anything else (like i see this reporting that's got

That's very charitable. Possibly too charitable when you consider the BBC Chairman helped organise a £800,000 loan for Boris Johnson before moving into that job, and he had been Sunak's boss at Goldman Sachs.


by jalfrezi

That's very charitable. Possibly too charitable when you consider the BBC Chairman helped organise a £800,000 loan for Boris Johnson before moving into that job, and he had been Sunak's boss at Goldman Sachs.

Not as charitable as that loan heyyooooo

On a serious note tho.... i dont think the bbc is effective enough to be as corrupt as you think

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