In other news
In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there are important, interesting or just plain weird things happening out there and a group of people can find these better than one.
I thought I would test with a thread for linking general news articles about "other news" and discussion. Perhaps it goes into the abyss that is page 2 and beyond, but it is worth a try.
Some guidelines:
- Try to find the "clean link", so that links to the news site directly and not a social media site. Avoid "amp-links" (google).
- Write some cliff notes on what it is about, especially if it is a video.
- It's not an excuse to make outlandish claims via proxy or link extremist content.
- If it's an editorial or opinion piece, it is polite to mark it as such.
- Note the language if it is not in English.
- There is no demand that such things be posted here, if you think a piece merits its own thread, then make one.
We are well aware that some of the barbaric practices you advocate for were practiced historically. There is a reason they are no longer practiced.
Then the reason they are no longer practiced isn't "unworkability", so why did you claim that? just claim that even if it could work as it did in the past for the stated purpose, you disagree because of your morals.
Can be against the death penalty or exile, even for very serious crimes, without claiming that the death penalty or exile are "unworkable", because they aren't "unworkable".
That btw isn't an hypothetical either. It's what the UK did for a while. It was called the bloody code. You got the death penalty for a wide variety of violent crimes, crimes against property included.
After they enacted that for like 100-150 years, Australia became viable as a target place to send exiles to, so they switched those death penalties in good part to exile.
For like 2 centuries the UK purged society of criminals structurally in that way. And it was the beacon of civilization as a coun
Me saying that your response was workable is me calling it unworkable?
And arguing that something was done over a century ago is a fair argument that it could be done, however it is a truly awful argument that it is a good or humane idea (although I understand you don't care that much about the latter of those two) for modern times, however well regarded the countries implementing them were at the time.
Then the reason they are no longer practiced isn't "unworkability", so why did you claim that? just claim that even if it could work as it did in the past for the stated purpose, you disagree because of your morals.
Can be against the death penalty or exile, even for very serious crimes, without claiming that the death penalty or exile are "unworkable", because they aren't "unworkable".
The fact that they were workable historically isn't proof that they are workable now either. The UK no longer has dominion over a bunch of colonies that can serve as a destination for deportations.
Me saying that your response was workable is me calling it unworkable?
And arguing that something was done over a century ago is a fair argument that it could be done, however it is a truly awful argument that it is a good or humane idea (although I understand you don't care that much about the latter of those two) for modern times, however well regarded the countries implementing them were at the time.
No, d2 said it was unworkable.
As for how much does it matter for the humanity/goodness of an idea, that classic liberal societies implemented them, well that depends on how much you think classic liberal ideas were good, if not superior to the current iteration of ideas that underpin modern society.
I know most people in this forum ascribe to an "arc of history" morality according to which progress (change vs the past) is basically always morally good, and so societies today are necessarily better morally than societies in the past for all axis, but well, i don't.
I recognize some things improved, some didn't change much, some got worse.
And i think the way we decided to treat the worst people in society, those doing the worst things damaging everyone else, today, is worse than what most countries did in the past. You can disagree ofc.
And btw i think exile is a lot more humane than long prison sentences (and you might even agree here), so having that option (that requires stripping citizenship) should be better than not having it, at least for people committing crimes for which sentences are very long, even in jurisdictions without the death penalty.
Take a case like Snowden, wouldn't it be crystal clear that simply stripping him of his citizenship (if it was possible under the law, which isn't in the USA as mentioned) and considering the matter done would be a lot better than the ongoing situation? he is in exile ANYWAY ffs.
To be clear, I was saying exile was unworkable. Obviously, the death penalty is always workable.
Not in Luciomtopia. But I get it, you want to build this "ideal" country that only works as long as there are other "less ideal" countries around to make your policies workable. So we can't all live in ideal land, only King Luciom and the Chosen Few. And if too many people want to be the Chosen Few, well, we'll have no choice but to just kill off the ones who don't.
To be clear, I was saying exile was unworkable. Obviously, the death penalty is always workable.
Exile would be workable for a lot of cases. It worked for actual terrorists (with guilty verdicts) for France a few decades ago for example.
Russia made some people stateless recently (because they opposed the invasion of Ukraine and whatnot), and they live in europe anyway afaik (and if i understand it properly, they'll soon get citizenship where they live).
Not in Luciomtopia. But I get it, you want to build this "ideal" country that only works as long as there are other "less ideal" countries around to make your policies workable. So we can't all live in ideal land, only King Luciom and the Chosen Few. And if too many people want to be the Chosen Few, well, we'll have no choice but to just kill off the ones who don't.
The only reason the USA worked very well is because enough other places sucked enough so that their best and brighest moved to the USA.
"beggar thy neighbor" is the name of the game in geopolitics, and as mentioned, the brain drain is a really big deal currently, and many countries are basing their entire future success on the idea of being able to poach enough smart foreigners every year.
But for some reason those aren't "utopias for the few" , am i right? only luciom models will be criticized
I'll be honest, the whole "poaching foreigners" as a business model for a nation state hadn't occurred to me before, and I had to look up "beggar thy neighbour". I'll have to give it some thought.
it was one of ikip's arguments against allowing immigration. Unfair to do all that poaching.
A Nutalls special iirc
That btw isn't an hypothetical either. It's what the UK did for a while. It was called the bloody code. You got the death penalty for a wide variety of violent crimes, crimes against property included.
After they enacted that for like 100-150 years, Australia became viable as a target place to send exiles to, so they switched those death penalties in good part to exile.
For like 2 centuries the UK purged society of criminals structurally in that way. And it was the beacon of civilization as a coun
It seems you think Australia was welcoming exiles.
You realize it was colonized back then?
France didn't send people in exile in random places ffs, it was colonies.
Nobody was like yes please send us your people u don't want.
The world is more defined today, aka frontiers and countries.
This is insane to me you are taking russia as an exemple.
And for france it worked extremely well under the vichy regime during WW2.
I'm sure jewish people were a fan of random nationality stripping.
Your fantasies and reality are really far away.
Fake news trying to get me to throw out my chicken. SAying Purdue has metal in it or something. Throw out my tendies? Nice try illuminati, nice try.
send them to Australia...
Sandro going is secretary general of the EDP party, member of the "renew Europe" group, a "centrist" (radical leftist for American standards) party in the european parliament, part of the coalition supporting von der leyen commission
Even Sweden said "enough is enough"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/articl...
Ten years ago the then prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt asked Swedes to “open your hearts” to refugees. Now the country’s migration minister is celebrating the fact Sweden has “negative net immigration”, with more people thought to be leaving the country than entering for the first time in more than half a century.
I apologise in advance
British tech tycoon Mike Lynch and his 18-year-old daughter are among the six people missing after a luxury yacht sank off the coast of the Italian island of Sicily in the early hours of Monday morning.
The 56m (183ft) vessel was carrying 22 people including British, American and Canadian nationals. Fifteen people were rescued, including a one-year-old British girl, and authorities are continuing their search into the night.
Mr Lynch, known by some as "the British Bill Gates", co-founded software company Autonomy, which was later bought by tech giant Hewlett-Packard for $11bn (£8.6bn).
British technology tycoon Mike Lynch pictured from the shoulders up outside court in 2019. He is bald, smiling, and wearing a suit. Image source, PA Media
Image caption,
Mr Lynch sold his company Autonomy to American computing giant Hewlett-Packard (HP) in 2011 for $11bn (£8.6bn).
But an intense legal battle following the high-profile acquisition loomed over Mr Lynch for over a decade. He was acquitted in the US in June on multiple fraud charges, for which he had been facing two decades in jail.
Nothing suspicious is being reported afaik
The sinking of the yacht came on the same day that Mr Lynch's co-defendant in the fraud case, Stephen Chamberlain, was confirmed by his lawyer as having died after being hit by a car in Cambridgeshire on Saturday.
wtf? Will Baysian analysis help or has that ship already sunk?
It's so implausible statistically (but never impossible) that the seed of doubt is legitimate imo.
But cui prodest? who would gain for having the 2 cleared guys killed and why?
full list of Twitter owners came out (no % stakes though), Musk is really not alone.
ackman, fidelity, Dorsey and others are in as well.
how much, we don't know.
but haters are going to reduce the joy, the 44 blns spent who probably are like 10 or 15 now, weren't all musk money
full list of Twitter owners came out (no % stakes though), Musk is really not alone.
ackman, fidelity, Dorsey and others are in as well.
how much, we don't know.
but haters are going to reduce the joy, the 44 blns spent who probably are like 10 or 15 now, weren't all musk money
i'm more concerned with which foreign governments and/or actors own shares, since we REALLY seem to care about it when it comes to tiktok, but suddenly dont care with other social media.
i'm more concerned with which foreign governments and/or actors own shares, since we REALLY seem to care about it when it comes to tiktok, but suddenly dont care with other social media.
Well, Qatar spends a lot of dark money at US universities to influence what is taught at said universities, especially as it pertains to Middle East politics (generally, Israel bad and Islamists good). Part of this is influencing universities to hire actual Iranian agents as professors to promote said worldview.
i'm more concerned with which foreign governments and/or actors own shares, since we REALLY seem to care about it when it comes to tiktok, but suddenly dont care with other social media.
No stakes, and control seems to be in musk hand, but the only explicit foreign government in is KSA from what I see.
KSA unlike China is an important American ally and has been for like 60+ years so no problems on that side I guess.
No stakes, and control seems to be in musk hand, but the only explicit foreign government in is KSA from what I see.
KSA unlike China is an important American ally and has been for like 60+ years so no problems on that side I guess.
yeah. i cant remember Saudi involved in anything negative here.
Well, Qatar spends a lot of dark money at US universities to influence what is taught at said universities, especially as it pertains to Middle East politics (generally, Israel bad and Islamists good). Part of this is influencing universities to hire actual Iranian agents as professors to promote said worldview.
Sources? Have heard this claim a few times before would genuinely like to read/learn more about this.
