25/50 three hands vs same villain

Preliminary note: I do not play this high.

Hand 1
If 3 bets preflop are rare, it's a fold to the 3bet (and also the open form utg seems very border line).

Hand 2
I never play BTN straddle, so I don't really know its dynamics. Anyway, with very little fold equity, I'd probably just check preflop.
As played, postflop is sick. Nobody should have an over set, or do these people limp call with TT-JJ?
You lose to 98... One of the V can sure have JT, but the other? Bluffing with KQ? I really don't know.

Hand 3
The call otf seems questionable. If you call flop, I think you have to call river.

I also do not play anywhere near this high. Is it 9 handed?

H1: If 3bets are rare, why on earth are you calling one OOP with Q9? In a game that's out of control, the way to win is to be more disciplined than the others without appearing overly tight. I mean if this is a private game or for whatever reason you thought folding would make you look a nit then you could fold face up, everyone knows you're opening wide anyhow so it gives little away.

The snap shove when a dynamic card comes in on the turn is a tell.

H2 would we have seen a limp-reraise with TT+? You might have to buy a ticket for the variance train with this one. You have some equity against 98.

H3 very dubious flop call, by the river you are under-repped, you can probably call this off particularly in this game dynamic

I dont play this high but i do play some 5/T/25

I dont really get why youre playing 80% of hands, but if nobody folds to a raise, the adjustment pre is to raise larger and tighter, and if you need to be playing a huge vpip to get invited to these games i suppose a small sizing pre is fine.

If people rarely 3 bet then Q9s is a snap fold pre. As played i guess fold turn, you could fold flop, but mostly as a continuation of the fact you shouldve folded pre, if he 3 bets wide enough for you to call pre, youd call flop.

Hand 2 call.

Hand 3 call.

Yeah, this game is 10x than I normally play.

Just from the description of the game, if everyone is VPIP'ing over 60%, 3B's are rare, yet no one folds to them, and every pot is going multi-way, you're not playing Poker, you're playing Bingo.

I think I'd be doing my best OMC impression in this game, waiting for monsters, and limp-raising them.

ETA - just read OP's second post, defending the wide VPIP range because of wanting action. Okay, I get it, but I still think I"d play each hand as follows...

H1, in this game, I think I'm folding Q9s pre, folding again to the flop raise, and again on the turn.

H2, if no one is folding to raises, I probably just flat call pre, and bet the flop for value. As played, we could have all the over-pairs and draws, so 77 is basically the fourth best hand we'll ever have here. If you can't find the call, leave the game. These guys didn't limp in from the blinds to flat call with TT and JJ, did they? They have way more JT and JX or TX in their ranges than 98 or JJ/TT.

H3, honestly, even if 3B's are rare in this game, I think I might 4B this guy, if he's never folding to our raises, and sometimes 3B'ing our UTG opens. Once we flat call pre, I think I'm just done with the hand on this flop. Once we call flop, and the turn goes check-check, I guess we have to call the river.

I mean ok. I dont see playing a 50% range as ridiculous, but i see calling a “rare” 3 bet in hand 1 as lighting money on fire, which is fine if you feel you gotta do that to get invited, but then you just check fold the flopped top pair i guess?

You told us 3 bets are rare, what does that mean? Give me a range. at 1/3 and 2/5, that means JJ+, AK, or maybe even tighter. Even is his range is suited broadway, 88+, youre completely dead here. Like, what, youre ahead of JT and AJ AT and rando pp bluffs? If the guy just spazzes out constantly its an easy call down.

fold, call, call

i think river is probably better as a bet in h3
h1 pre is whatever but would call pre / flop w described dynamic and fold now. not sure what the worst hand we call off is though
h2 seems the least interesting to me

it seems unlikely to me that people are interpreting the preflop dynamic correctly if the guy 4b ripped kjo lol / player type in general. theres just no way this is 3% of hands or whatever preflop

Rare compared to an online game or a game where anyone is playing close to optimal frequencies. Maybe one three bet every two orbits, in a 7-8 handed game.

Ok so like a 6% range is like ATs+ KQs 88+ or something. I recognize they arent necessarily 3 betting the top of their range, but Q9s has like 32% equity against that range and is basically a coinflip on that flop, and back down to 32% ott. Also its mostly WA/WB, and he just overbet/overbet jammed which presumably has SOME amount of tilt towards value, but even if it doesnt its a turn fold.

Even factoring in the fact they arent 3 betting with the top of their range, that might just make things worse for you, because the 6% probably really makes up their top 3% (like QQ+ AQs+) plus random crap hands that basically replace hands you beat (like ATs. 88) with other hands you mostly beat as well but a few you dont (like a smattering of T5 or whatever)

Results:
Hand 1

Hand 2

Hand 3

hilarious thread

« 3bets are really rare in this game, V proceeds to 3bet with Q7o and 62o » lmao

They are rare, rare meaning good hand range doesn’t apply to all villain types.

How many handed is this? Hand 1 Qd9d is too loose of an open, just open fold it. Especially if you are opening to 4bb. It's not even an open from say, UTG 8 handed at 2bb open.

Definitely don't call a 3bet with it to 3.5x after you opened 4x. Don't these mistakes and you never have to worry about his stupid overbets on flop and turn. Especially when you say not a lot of 3betting, that means you should be way overfolding to 3bets

I guess we call flop as played but I am not loving it. I don't mind folding here to his overbet.

Turn just fold. Unless you have a very special history with this villain, there are a 2 things I hate:

1. People are under 3betting, meaning he probably isn't 3betting light a lot with hands like 54s, 65s, 76s, 87s, JTs. He is going to be 3betting hands that are better than yours or straight up dominated.

2. Overbets are underbluffed. He overbet flop and turn. It would take a special v to be spazzing out with JJ, JTs, or Ac5c here. Most people aren't special villain's, so unless you have some strong evidence that he is, just print by folding a ton. Could you hero call here and be right? Sure. But generally we are torching money by being too wide pre and calling the overbet jams of random people with 2nd pair.

Hand 2 is really sick. But I think we can fold. It looks like exactly 98. Best case it's JT. But it is hard for both of them to have JT. One of them could even have TT, which is a little unlikely since they limped. Or even JJ, even more unlikely. But rec players play weird when it is ultra deep with a straddle. Some rec players think that calling a $100 straddle 10k deep is the equivalent of raising a hand in an unstraddled pot. But anyways, even if their range was JT and 98, then it is likely that one of them has a straight and neither a J nor T would be a good out for you, so you are dead to a 7 or 2 running cards. Actually if their range is exactly 98, then you are getting correct odds to boat up. It is worse if they can also have JT. which I wouldn't rule out.

Hand 3, calling this river. But I hate raising to 8x pre and we might just consider folding to the 3bet. As played, I don't understand how you could entertain anything but calling river here but you are entertaining calling in hand 1?

I think betting ourselves on the river is also a reasonable option. I think 1/3 or half pot has its merits after v snap checks the turn and we can consider folding to a raise. This way we can get value from hands like KK and we name our price vs a hand like AK. A lot of times when you have an ace for top pair on the turn and it goes check check, and the river is a blank, we want to lead the river when OOP for some size, whether it I'd a block bet or bigger.

Also on the flop IDK if we should really float here. Maybe if we have a backdoor flush draw. We're behind everything he has for value and even AK.

Edit: Read spoilers, nice hands. I mean, there is a dynamic of wanting to give action and you know these villains are wide whales, so you have to make some adjustments. It does seem off though that you say they aren't 3betting much, but the hands showed down in 1 and 3 and the doctor 4bet shoving pre hand are indicative of a game with a lot of loose splashy whales. You're not going to get good strategy advice if you leave that out but make it seem like the 3bet frequency is like 4% or less when that's not the case with several of the villains.

I think just playing some theoretically sound ranges for the most part will pay off. You may think they won't give you action if you play more sound ranges, but 1. they are there to have fun and can't help themselves and 2. You can use that to you advantage to push them off their hand and win money when they fold.

Yeah, I kinda feel like we were sucker punched here, with the game description.

Definitely seems like playing as wide as OP is just courting disaster, when we can play a reasonably sound game and still give enough action to get invited back.

I think the real bluff was that this post was asking for advice.