JJ 5 ways in deep 1/3 game

Yeah check fold turn.

This. Your hand has shriveled up on this turn. Try to show it down without putting any more money in if possible.

Also would advocate for checking flop or maybe betting smaller. Don’t want to blow the pot up out of position when super deep and super multi-way.

Normally I would have. Yes it would be better to bet small or check but the pot is already bloated and I would rather bet to deny equity to weaker holdings against loose players that will float just about anything for a small size as we often have the best hand on the flop. There was some other action during that affected my decision here. One guy had lost like 300bbs in the couple hours he had sat down and was playing crazy so mainly just targeting these players weak ranges. Maybe something like $70 would have been more appropriate.

Edit: this same player check jammed for 300bb with KT on T764 with a club draw after checking turn and BTN bet 210 into 300 and SB called, he check raises them all in for like 500 more and SB called with A5 clubs and bricked river. BTN who was hero in my hand said he had the same hand KT

I think I was so prepared to just check back any spade or over card, Ax etc, but I also got so tied to this idea that when the straight completing card came in I felt pressured to just take it down

how deep

Okay, I don’t agree with this at all. Except your turn assessment. 44-66 is a fold in these positions as well facing this action! (44-55 are pure folds)

But thank you.

Very. $830 effective to start.

This spot you are in on the flop - out of position and super deep in a bloated pot with a vulnerable value hand against four unknown ranges that contain countless strong hands/draws - is not a comfortable one.

I understand the desire to make a chunky bet and protect your hand against the garbage hands that are out there. By betting here though, you are creating a massive pot. Do you think JJ wants to play a massive pot in this situation? You're out of position against wild/unpredictable opponents who can have infinite combos of sets, straights, and combo draws.

What happens here if you bet $70 and get raised? Surely your opponents will have a lot of high equity bluffs to choose from (virtually every combo of AXhh for one) but you are also going to be drawing dead against most of their value range.

My advice is check and see what happens. Find out as much information as you can before you put in a bunch of money. Everybody checks and the turn is a brick? Time to fire away. Somebody else bets and huge raises start coming in? Cool, we lost the minimum. We check, a player bets, and everyone else folds? Perfect, now we are going to play an appropriate sized pot for the strength of our hand.

When you bet $90, nobody is folding a flush draw (especially since their flush draws will have overcards and/or straight draws to accompany them), so you aren't even really protecting against that much. I also don't think you are going to get a ton of extra value out of a hand like 99 by betting flop. I don't think betting is worth as much as it looks like it is.

From a theoretical perspective I would be very surprised if the GTO play wasn’t to bet something like 1/3 here with our made hands and overpairs and hands like TT+. If we are accounting for the live dynamic + loose ranges + general opponent tendencies I think something like 40% is always going to be appropriate on this board texture. If the flop was something like 456 or 768 I think we have an easy range check. I’m certain we bet this texture frequently with our hand. Checking and allowing opponents to realize is a mistake in my opinion. Realistically what are we losing to right now? Sets and straights are few and far between.

Easy fold vs raise. Seems like pretty basic stuff to me. Poker is made up of tons spots like this. Would give an example but there’s so many where the line goes bet flop check turn.

As far as sets go they should be raising those hands OOP to build a hand 100% of the time.

I would check flop. You are against 3 players who can have the 9 sets and some straights. I might check 100% of range on this board. I almost always am either checking or going 25% multiway, and on this board in particular, I think it's a mistake to be going the size you chose multiway.

I would probably be check folding the turn.

We can check call the flop with good ace highs with potentially 10 outs. If you are only playing check calls and check folds on the flop then in the turn you could have plenty of Ax to continue with.

I am not a fan of the way you block bet turn and river. We shouldn't just be block betting because the board is scary and we don't want to face a big bet. When we block bet it is generally because we have hands that want to get value but will have a hard time getting value when they bet bigger. Here we just have a hand that isn't good enough to value bet.

Check flop as the PFR from OOP or sandwiched between opponents. This board is going to hit callers' ranges more than ours, and we're going to get raised fairly frequently if we c-bet. See what all our opponents want to do before we act. If flop checks through, and action checks to us on a turn brick, we can make a delayed c-bet.

Just check this turn card. We can call a small bet, but it's an easy fold facing a bet from HJ and a call from EP.

Don't get married to big PP's.

Fair enough. Accounting for live factor I lean more towards bet but playing check or bet is absolutely correct.