Can we find a fold with top top, against an OMC turn shove?
Well I am not sure whether this villain should be defined as OMC - first time seeing this older player in the casino, not sure he plays regularly, and he seemed wider than average OMCs.
During the 20 minutes we played together, there was one hand hero opened KQss (4bb) from LJ, villain called with 95cc from BTN. Flop came Q98 two tones, V calls my 3/4 pot bet with middle pair crap kicker no FD. Turn came an offsuit 5, V called my 2/3 bet. River T kills all the actions so X X, villain tabled his unexpected two pairs.
Back to this hand.
1/2. OMC was the effective stack of just under 300.
MP opened 6, Hero raised to 20 from LJ with A♣K♠, OMC called.
Flop K♦ 4♣ 5♣
Surely we loved the flop. Top top with flush and straight back doors. Hero c-bet 25 when checked to. OMC was the only caller.
Turn, 3♥
Not the best card but it didn't stop hero from firing. Hero bets 75 into a pot of 110.
OMC jammed. We need to call with another 170 for a pot of 600.
However with this particular player type, does he have enough bluffs for us to call？
If he had some random 23cc, 56dd, would OMC semi-bluff jam into our 3! range?
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No IMC is ever calling a raise with 95s. So I'd forget any assumptions you were making based on that. Old does not mean OMC.
From what you've seen, the villain doesn't put money in unless he's sure has a winner. Easy fold.
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OMCs dont call 95s the guys a loose passive. TPTK IP here is more or less a stack off on safe runouts at SPR of 5 HU I think.
Seems like you're over-playing somewhat thin value from OOP. I'd mostly be checking these flops, to check raise when someone stabs.
Can't fold turn getting these odds, but I'm not expecting to be ahead more than 25% of the time. We'll need to improve to 2P+ around 5% of the time to break even. We have enough outs to make this a profitable call, but don't be surprised when V shows down something stupid yet strong.
OP for reference, when I think OMC, his absolute max stats are going to be 10/5/2 right down to something like 5/2/1.
OP for reference, when I think OMC, his absolute max stats are going to be 10/5/2 right down to something like 5/2/1.
I misused the word OMC - as others have pointed out, 'old man coffee' is not actually categorized by age and drink.
Fishy question - would you mind explaining what the three numbers you refer to, when you say 'max stats'? Thanks.
I misused the word OMC - as others have pointed out, 'old man coffee' is not actually categorized by age and drink.
Fishy question - would you mind explaining what the three numbers you refer to, when you say 'max stats'? Thanks.
I would fold as played.
Yeah, OMC's are very tight players who wait for aces and never bluff or play speculative hands for the most part (of course every OMC is different) they're usually retired and play all day sitting there waiting for big hands to stack the younger aggressive players.
That stats are used with online huds, and sometimes people like to compare the villain with online stats which mean
VPIP(percentage they voluntarily enter the pot/PFR(%pre flop raises)/%of aggression.
I would fold as played.
Yeah, OMC's are very tight players who wait for aces and never bluff or play speculative hands for the most part (of course every OMC is different) they're usually retired and play all day sitting there waiting for big hands to stack the younger aggressive players.
That stats are used with online huds, and sometimes people like to compare the villain with online stats which mean
VPIP(percentage they voluntarily enter the pot/PFR(%pre flop raises)/%of aggression.
Thanks for explaining. The last number I was using was %3b. I will stop using that if it's not the norm.
I would fold as played.
Yeah, OMC's are very tight players who wait for aces and never bluff or play speculative hands for the most part (of course every OMC is different) they're usually retired and play all day sitting there waiting for big hands to stack the younger aggressive players.
That stats are used with online huds, and sometimes people like to compare the villain with online stats which mean
VPIP(percentage they voluntarily enter the pot/PFR(%pre flop raises)/%of aggression.
Appreciate the explanations! I haven't played with this opponent for long enough, but calling with 95s (single raise pot) on the BTN surely makes his VPIP 30% or more.
As played, I thought it would be either a long tank crying call or long tank fold. I am surprised to see from the comments we also have 'easy fold' and 'snap call' here.
If I were to play this hand again, pre-flop size can go up, turn bet size can go down. However I do not think there's any merit slowing down on the turn to a check-call mode. Welcome different thoughts.
Well I am not sure whether this villain should be defined as OMC - first time seeing this older player in the casino, not sure he plays regularly, and he seemed wider than average OMCs.
During the 20 minutes we played together, there was one hand hero opened KQss (4bb) from LJ, villain called with 95cc from BTN. Flop came Q98 two tones, V calls my 3/4 pot bet with middle pair crap kicker no FD. Turn came an offsuit 5, V called my 2/3 bet. River T kills all the actions so X X, villain tabled his
Not reading anything but the title. Yes. Yes you can find a fold against an OMC
