Political earthquake in France after European elections

Political earthquake in France after European elections

I think this deserves it's own thread

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2024/0609...

Absolutely unexpec

09 June 2024 at 07:31 PM
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Too understand France one must understand that if the 6th of January 2021 attacks had happened in France, they'd have called it a Wednesday.

Since the Republic's inception some 225 years ago, France has gone through time as the 1st republic, dictatorship, empire, monarchy, constitutional monarchy, 2nd republic, empire, 3rd republic, partial socialist commune and a country in revolt, under occupation and ruled by a collaborationist fascist regime (and a government in exile), 4th republic, ruled by threat of military coup, and finally the 5th republic.

Where other countries grow tired of their politicians and they slowly whittle away, France is a country of large dramatic political shifts and swings that puts heroes in power and a few terms later dethrones them as villains.


by weeeez

I don't see how this shows anything, what big things are currentely achieved then?

Nothing big they just had the olympics and the worst organized systemic attack to infrastructure in french peacetime history


by Luciom

Nothing big they just had the olympics and the worst organized systemic attack to infrastructure in french peacetime history

I have no idea the point your trying to make.


It's just more of the same excitable hyperbabble.


by weeeez

I have no idea the point your trying to make.

That a "fully powered" (voted by parliament and with powers to deal with more than strictly only current affairs) government is less useful and less necessary than people think it is, given countries can work without one, as proven by France right now and by many other european countries many times.

The Netherlands has been without a (fully powered) government for more than 150 days this year. They voted november 22 2023, a very hung parliament came out of that vote, parties discussed coalitions for months, new government was sworn in July of this year.

Belgian once stayed 652 days without a government. And that included the first waves of covid in 2020

So the point is, we have proof that there is too much state, given when it's powers get vastly reduced (by lack of political agreement) life continues as normal for people. The optimal amount of state in society of course being, the absolute minimum required to run society smoothly.


Are you saying there is someone in the world who thought olympics wouldn't happen if there was no governement for a month (which isn't the case btw) ?

Or are you just writing platitudes to get some wins?


by Luciom

Let's say this is the most "pro macron" view possible.

I think he will fail here. At least in the short term. But I admit the "balls" of the move.

But the real game will be in 2027 when he might reap benefits from this choice, if as I said **** happens from now to 2027, he won't be disintegrated by it and he could have a chance again

Ok so update.

After this, courts used the vilest lawfare to cut Le Pen off the presidential race, as she can't run for political office for a while according to court decisions.

The "crime" is to have used public funds given to parties to hire assistants in the european parliament to ... hire assistants that also did other things (which every party in europe does).

Whatever.

Macron managed to install a centrist government for a year, which now failed as it needed Le Pen party "not to vote against it", and this time they voted against it.

Now there is no solution for Macron. His popularity is around 10-15% nationwide, parliament is against him and if he calls elections (he can call them as more than 1 year has passed since the last time), parliament will be even more against him.

But he might have set up things to allow for leftists to swipe the presidency in 2027 (as Le Pen can't run, and there aren't other personalities which are as strong as her for the role).

Neither Le Pen nor the various types of left want to cut spending in a country which already taxes more than any other one in the first world and YET doesn't have enough money to splurge as it wants, so they run massive deficits even in good economic times (like currently).

There is no solution in sight and the situation is disastrous.

French 10y yield for the first time ever since the eur introduction are now higher than italian (!!!!!!) 10y yields.





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