Live $200 Hard Bubble - AKs

I don't see how you can fold this, AKs with that stack size and given it's not a massive pay jump, just GII and pray.

I guess this was a bust out hand. It is actually kind of close, because the mincash is worth about as much as your chips after the bubble, and you don't like gii 3-way on the bubble. It might even be a fold. They have fairly strong ranges, but that could mean AJ/AQ, so hard to fold AKs.

I can't see the previous action, but you might have missed chances to pushbot steal, which would keep you from getting so short. There might have been other plays you could have made earlier. You don't want to be in the situation where you are folding your way into the money.

I actually didn’t bust here and did make the money, so not “results oriented” - but I did not feel confident either way.

I had shoved once per orbit and gotten the blinds for 3 or 4 orbits now - was tough to steal often in LP because table was a bit loose for this stage and multiple in pot. It’s definitely possible I’m missing some marginal shoves at this stage in EP; e.g, something like KTo UTG 7 handed with 6 bigs on hard bubble, I have not studied enough to know that range.

One thing that hurt was the slow hand for hand meant the blinds jumped to 6k from 4k right before my BB

It's pretty significant relative to the stakes and remaining pay jumps (I mean the jump from 20 to 19 is bigger than the jump from 10 to 6).

I'd probably just fold and hate myself for it but I think it's right since you have to beat both of them. Even if UTG had 20k and we had 26k I'd start thinking more about getting it in because we'd still cash if we just beat UTG (or at least I'd check with the floor to make sure it worked that way before calling).

That was a big part of my thinking (the fact the next places were all about a 2x+ of buy in, and a tripling of stack here still probably means I bust at that level of payout). I do wish I'd considered to find out if I'd split it with the other shorty or not. I think splitting payout if we both bust would make it an all in.

I also think I'd have gone with it if I had QQ - although not sure that's the right thinking as AKs having blockers to AA/KK might be more beneficial.

Results are I folded, UTG has JTs and CO had QQ, with UTG busting.

I'm not sure either, but that's a good question to ask and I think you're thinking about it in the right way. QQ might even be a fold for those reasons-- not just that you don't block AA/KK, but you don't even really want to get it in vs. AK in this spot, and with the strength the CO is giving off from his 3-bet shove, you having QQ really puts a lot more hands you don't want to see in his range.

I think KK you just have to go with, though.

Typically in a live tournament, if you bust from the same table, the bigger stack gets the better finish. If you were on different tables, you'd split the prize.

I think this is actually a pretty easy fold. The min cash is close to 2x; you have about a 55% of getting that right now, and even if you don't you will be in a close race with the short stack at the other table, and ahead of him since he will bust first if neither of you win a pot.

Add in your equity in one of the medium stacks busting and you are likely in the high 80s to cash. I'd guess your equity here to be roughly $300.

If you call and triple, your stack won't even be close to average (exactly 1/2 average if I did the math right). That would be worth roughly $750.

If these numbers are correct, you are risking 300 to win 450. There is no way you have the 40% equity here vs 2 players even with a hand as strong as AKs

I think the standard rule is that when there are multiple bust outs, the order of the busts is determined by the player's chip stacks -- i.e., the smallest chip stack busts first and so forth.

My post assumed that if hero calls and CO busts both players, then hero finishes 20th and UTG finishes 19th.

Shove, triple up, ship tourney; you’re welcome.

Here is the Recommended Procedure from TDA for Hand for Hand play.

A: Payoff eligibility starts at the announcement: “finish the current hand you’re on then hold up, we are going hand for hand”. If enough players bust on the current hand to break into the money, the busting players will be eligible for a share of the place(s) paid on the current hand. Example: NLHE tournament paying 50 players. 52 p layers remain when the announcement is made and during the current hand 3 players bust. All 3 players will share in the 50th place payout.

Theres no distinction in the procedure between multiple bustouts at the same table or multiple tables, so I would assume that doesnt matter. Of course, not all rooms use TDA, which is why I would want a clarification before making a decision.