Moderation Questions
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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by Luciom m

sure because after i link the typical finding which is a U curve , you go with "heavy smokers and drinkers", when the claim is that moderate consumption of alcohol is better than nothing.As for nicotine, none would be better, but some nicotine is a lot better than gaining weight for most people (not for people who otherwise would be very thin though).Especially today when we ca

Sure, okay, good luck trying to consume nicotine in moderation; it's one of the most addictive substances known to man.


by DonkJr m

In addition to Trolly's post above, which raises a good point, I am going to add that just growing up and getting more emotionally mature contributes to being in a better mood, by itself. Obviously being active and feeling good helps, but the "drudgery" you are describing sounds like a lot of people's early 20s, where people are desperately trying to find their identity and fe

Without a doubt that’s part of it. Even something simple like my driving habits have noticeably improved and I’d put that entirely on age. I’m just not looking for the dopamine rush like I was when I was younger.


You’re all thinking only of the physical effects of alcohol on oneself when looking for reasons people drink heavily. It’s a big mistake.


by jalfrezi m

You’re all thinking only of the physical effects of alcohol on oneself when looking for reasons people drink heavily. It’s a big mistake.

Obviously alcohol is a social lubricant. For that matter, cocaine and cigarettes can also be social lubricants in the right circles. It doesn't mean that it justifies drinking to the point of causing health issues.

I have a friend that is a heavy-duty extrovert and goes out drinking several times a week, which he uses as an opportunity to network. He is loved by many and has had held many leadership positions throughout the community. This is the kind of person that you can maybe point to and say that his level of moderate alcohol consumption, which is used as an in for socializing, might be justified.

If you feel like you have to drink heavily, that is a different story, and you might want to examine what it is that you think you are getting out of such a lifestyle.


Your friend doesn't have to justify his drinking (moderate or not) to anyone. It's his body and he can drink as much or as little as he wants.

I haven't seen anyone here saying they "have to drink heavily", but it's a useful narrative to justify self-righteousness I suppose.

As any serious drinker or ex-drinker knows, situations open up around people drinking in ways that wouldn't happen otherwise, and they are often very interesting and revealing. You'll have to take people's word for this, and it had nothing to do with this tedious idea of work "networking".


by jalfrezi m

It seems aa though the negative effects of alcohol on the human body that we’ve been hearing about are almost negligible?

Let me rephrase

I was at the doc. Every doc asks me how much I drink. I say 2-4 drinks a day never more than that. And they all say ok that’s fine. Granted I’m a veteran so that’s prob low for what they see. This doc didn’t ask me about my drinking.

So anyway

My doc is talking to me about my health and I pull up my bloodwork and go over it line by line. I see that my WBC (white blood cell count) is in the lower 25% of acceptable range

I ask the doc why mine is low

Without skipping a beat he says you prob drink regularly, a couple drinks a day

I said yes, exactly. How did you know that I asked him?

He said that alcohol becomes apart of your blood stream and kills blood cell production in your bone marrow.

Additionally it’s a carcinogen for the brain for whatever reason.

Alcohol is a poison. You don’t want poison to be chillin in your blood stream


by PointlessWords m

I was at the doc. Every doc asks me how much I drink. I say 2-4 drinks a day never more than that. And they all say ok that’s fine.

I think 3-4/day is right on the edge of what's considered moderate drinking for men.


by Trolly McTrollson m

I think 3-4/day is right on the edge of what's considered moderate drinking for men.

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm but the cdc says it’s max 2.


Drinking every day isn't great. The liver recovers pretty quickly if you give it some time off.


by Bubble_Balls m

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm but the cdc says it’s max 2.

Looks like this is true; here's what I found on the CDC's website:

Current light drinker – At least 12 drinks in the past year but 3 drinks or fewer per week, on average over the past year.

Current moderate drinker – More than 3 drinks but no more than 7 drinks per week for women and more than 3 drinks but no more than 14 drinks per week for men, on average over the past year.

Current heavier drinker – More than 7 drinks per week for women; more than 14 drinks per week for men, on average over the past year.


Sounds like the CDC is full of little bitches who don't know how to have a good time


by coordi m

Sounds like the CDC is full of little bitches who don't know how to have a good time

Yes unironically, After COVID everyone knows that.

Double masking lol wtf not even the lowest IQ people at the local pub would suggest that


When I was on holiday in Montreal a while back they had these breathalyzer machines in restaurants where you could pay $1 to take it. I blew something like 3x the legal limit on a random weekday afternoon, and I felt totally fine/normal. My friend who was with me looked pretty shocked.

So, anyway, the legal limit is obviously a bit low as well.


Just googled it...


I blew a 0.24 on a random afternoon lol.


by d2_e4 m

Just googled it... I blew a 0.24 on a random afternoon lol.

There is mistake of an order of magnitude there or we are talking different things.

We go grams per liter in Italy and 0.25 is low. Maybe you are thinking the same?


People with a higher tolerance obviously can function with a higher BAC than light drinkers can, at least until their liver function drops significantly.


by d2_e4 m

When I was on holiday in Montreal a while back they had these breathalyzer machines in restaurants where you could pay $1 to take it. I blew something like 3x the legal limit on a random weekday afternoon, and I felt totally fine/normal. My friend who was with me looked pretty shocked.

So, anyway, the legal limit is obviously a bit low as well.

Legal limit in Italy you go over it with a glass of wine.

The rule is there to cash revenue in, there is no other reason and everyone knows that


by Luciom m

There is mistake of an order of magnitude there or we are talking different things.

We go grams per liter in Italy and 0.25 is low. Maybe you are thinking the same?

As far as I know BAC is measured in %, so that's 0.25%. I guess that would be grams/100ml, so 2.5g/l.


by Rococo m

People with a higher tolerance obviously can function with a higher BAC than light drinkers can, at least until their liver function drops significantly.

I don't think BAC is used in Europe I think we almost all use G/L


by d2_e4 m

Just googled it... I blew a 0.24 on a random afternoon lol.

It's wild how the body adapts, most non-alcoholics start passing out at around 0.3-0.5 if I'm not mistaken.


by d2_e4 m

As far as I know BAC is measured in %, so that's 0.25%. I guess that would be grams/100ml, so 2.5g/l.

Ok 2.5 is like a lot more than a bottle of wine in a short term.

2.5 is ok I am a heavy drinker and very slowly I could drive home but jfc it's better if I don't threshold


by Rococo m

People with a higher tolerance obviously can function with a higher BAC than light drinkers can, at least until their liver function drops significantly.

I was being tongue in cheek wrt to the legal limit, thought that would be obvious πŸ˜€


by Luciom m

Ok 2.5 is like a lot more than a bottle of wine in a short term

Sounds about right. Didn't seem out of the ordinary to me. I don't know what all this stupor stuff is about, I didn't even feel drunk.


by Trolly McTrollson m

It's wild how the body adapts, most non-alcoholics start passing out at around 0.3-0.5 if I'm not mistaken.

Same google result / AI response says 0.4 is or can be fatal. So, passing out pretty permanently.


by Trolly McTrollson m

It's wild how the body adapts, most non-alcoholics start passing out at around 0.3-0.5 if I'm not mistaken.

That would be 2-3 bottles of wine so yes, especially women

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