Do you believe in God?

If only I was ….
To me life can be meaningful by itself , I don’t need religious beliefs to make it so .
And since I believe In science and trust quantum mechanic , it’s hard to be fatalist .

Define 'God'... omnipotent?

“Do you believe in God?” is the safe question.

“Do you have a soul?” is the forbidden question.

There is no “higher” truth only truth. Truth is that which comports with reality.

Aspiring to believe only true things isn’t nihilism, it’s realism. Until someone can demonstrate a higher power exists, there is no reason to adopt this belief. And there is nothing pessimistic about realism, it’s an amazing world we have evolved to live in and it’s joyous to experience it unburdened by the chains of religion.

People will say this but then also say something along the line of “We need to make the world a better place” without realizing they are deeply confused about reality / truth.

You make lots of meaningless and even clearly false assertions. Wanting to make the world a better place does not evidence any confusion about reality. The world is what we perceive as our reality, wanting to improve it is a natural human drive, a big reason we created tools and civilization.

I’m not trying to discourage your desire to aim at the good. Let me try to show you..

Which is reality: the world as it is now or the improved version being aimed at?

The world is reality, now and whatever it is in the future, improved or not.

Are you only capable of formulating meaningless questions and statements?

You don’t know enough and haven’t earned your condescension, especially towards me. Knock it off.

R1 - current reality
R2 - future status quo reality
R3 - desired future reality

First, recognize the truth of multiple realities, or at least multiple, potential, future realities. Second, understand that whatever is most real will be actualized eventually. The only reason why you can hold a desire for R3 is because, at some level, part of you believes R3 is potentially more real than R2. If you didn’t believe at all that R3 was potentially more real, then you wouldn’t be able to hold the desire because it’s not REALISTIC.

We both agree truth corresponds with reality. Since R3 is believed to be both better and more real than R2, I hold that R3 is a higher reality than R2, and the truths which correspond to R3 are higher truths than those which correspond to R2.

This isn’t meaningless moral philosophy. It matters. A lot.

You missed the part where I said "Language and imagination are limited, but we do the best we can with the tools we have in order to appreciate these concepts."

There is only one reality, the now. R2 and R3 aren’t reality until they actually happen. Until then they are just speculation or preference, not truth, and only time will tell whether the future will be remotely similar to them.

If you fully believed this to be true, then you wouldn’t be able to hold a desire for a better world / better life.

It’s called having a dream ….
If u can’t even differentiate the two you are even more lost then I thought …

I believe what is represented in the movie Powder.

You’re just substituting having a dream for holding a desire. You didn’t resolve the issue.

Ok, to use your preferred language, you wouldn’t be able to sustainably hold your dream if the present reality is what is supposed to be (rather than your dream reality).

The part which dreams of a different reality believes the dream reality is more real. The part of you which only exists in daily life only believes in the present reality.

The question: Do you consider the part which dreams you or not? If so, then you need to account for its beliefs as your beliefs.

What I’m saying sounds foreign because people disown the part of themselves which hopes and dreams due to the heartbreak experienced when reality has checked them in the past.

I am not eating an ice cream sandwich now, ie in reality. I hold hopes of eating an ice cream sandwich in the future, that would be an improvement over current reality.

All the philosophical word games in the world can’t obscure or change reality. Hope leading to actions may change it for the better in the future.

Is this actually how you measure improvement in your life - eating an ice cream sandwich? You don’t try to intuit an overall baseline of your quality of life, which includes more variables, over a longer time span?

I’m talking about upgrading this baseline quality of life. Don’t you think this is more meaningful than thinking about ice cream sandwiches?

I mean, I’m obviously interested in discussing ideas and truths which extend beyond daily life. That’s what a subforum like this is about.

DesertCat enters and criticizes this, telling me how I’m wrong for not conforming to what everyone else who is stuck in daily life does.

He obv used sandwich as an example showing you present reality change and he took action to make his dream becoming the present .

And dream can he sustain for an entire life .
Like people dreaming to become millionaires.
Some dream are attainable and some aren’t .
That’s what make present reality the only reality …
Some future reality will happens other won’t .

You can desire something which doesn’t exist? Desire aims. What is desire aiming at when it desires nonexistence?

Using your example, I’m not a millionaire. You are claiming the reality where I’m a millionaire doesn’t exist, so then how can I desire it if it doesn’t exist?

Potential realities exist, which is why you can aim at them. Therefore, potential realities are realities. Unless you want to argue something can exist and be desired but not be real?

I’m guessing what you mean is present reality is the only actualized reality, which I obviously agree with. Still, present reality is not the only reality.

It’s just an example. Would you prefer I aspire to develop a better way of making ice cream sandwiches to make them better or more affordable as the example?

The central point isn’t what the improvement is, just that any future improvement is not part of current reality.

I’m asking you to make rational statements, not irrational assertions. Such as asserting we can’t hold any hope for a better future in current reality, which is de facto absurd. We all have different hopes for the future, clearly disproving you.

You need to either think or communicate more clearly.

Ask yourself, do you honestly believe I think the bolded?

You have to think of yourself as two people to understand my position. Perhaps you are incapable of that.