Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
if we go by posting then yes but there's a lot of lurkers
Yeah I think the problem is that if we permaban conservatives for being uncivil there would be no conservatives left lmao
Especially if you define "uncivil" as "being rightwing" on any issue yes, which is what the left and the rules of this forum do.
Meanwhile unlimited insults to any rightwing politician (fair) and all their voters are always allowed and celebrated
Especially if you define "uncivil" as "being rightwing" on any issue yes, which is what the left and the rules of this forum do.
Meanwhile unlimited insults to any rightwing politician (fair) and all their voters are always allowed and celebrated
3 of the 7 people listed were banned specifically for insulting *you*, so please, give the above shtick a rest. Thanks.
Well good, we collectively got that off our chests.
Spoiler
Not directed at you specifically and only, Luc
Move on.
I will reiterate what CN said about the timing of everything "since the elections are near". This place will go sour very quickly around here.
The mods have been given a green light to ban ANY newcomer.... like we did the last election cycle. New guys are usually just alias' so "no harm, no foul?" Well in my mind it is a very egregious faux pas BECAUSE it places a huge burden on the mod staff.
Nerves will get frayed, fuses get short. Live with it or not. Your choice. The mod teams can look at most bans and say "well, XXX just banned himself". browser "be nice" should be the thought of the day.
Yeah I think the problem is that if we permaban conservatives for being uncivil there would be no conservatives left lmao
Posters shouldn't be allowed to violate site-wide rules on hate speech, personal attacks, and ban evasion simply because their brand of conservative politics has become indistinguishable from knuckle-dragging bigotry.
3 of the 7 people listed were banned specifically for insulting *you*, so please, give the above shtick a rest. Thanks.
I often think that I spend too much time posting on 2+2.
Then I click on "Find posts by Luciom", I note that he has made 170 posts in the last 48 hours (all in the Politics forum), and I realize that others have a much bigger problem than I do.
surprised it's not higher than 3/7 tbh
Forums are a dying model. Reddit replaced forums.
Reddit has been washed out and watered down for a while now, with Discord replacing reddit as the leading edge of discussion forum.
Discord discussions have been moving to Telegram for the last year or two. Who knows if this recent case will deter that or if Telegram will emerge as the new leading edge in internet discussion.
Point being, Forums are like 5 generations removed from being relevant as a player in the leading edge discussions. There is never going to be a resurgence in new users driving content on a 25 year old niche discussion forum.
yeah whenever i peruse old threads it always makes me really sad to see just how many old threads are full of banned accounts
people do one thing once and boom, an account that posted for years with 5k posts gets banned
i think those bans are major reason why this place is so dead
i'm sure if we looked at the numbers we'd see it's less than 200 people accounting for 90% of the traffic and probably 50 people accounting for over half
Bolded never really happens. Not many long time posters have been perma'd, and of those who have been, I would guess that an overwhelming majority were warned more than ten times in one way or the other to quit doing whatever it was that got them banned.
lagtight is a perfect example. In many respects, I enjoyed having him around, and I wasn't the one who perma'd him, but there is no disputing that he was warned over and over and over again to avoid his particular "style" of posting about homosexuality. For reasons known only to him, he chose to go out on his sword rather than refrain.
Forums are a dying model. Reddit replaced forums.
Reddit has been washed out and watered down for a while now, with Discord replacing reddit as the leading edge of discussion forum.
Discord discussions have been moving to Telegram for the last year or two. Who knows if this recent case will deter that or if Telegram will emerge as the new leading edge in internet discussion.
Point being, Forums are like 5 generations removed from being relevant as a player in the leading edge discussions. T
How do we know which discussion is the leading edge?
Leading edge is so yesterday. Bleeding edge is where it's at now.
Kids go where they are told to go - which is snapchat and IG. You can get a hell of a deal buying snap shares if you think they are the leading edge.
Reddit are Gen xers and old millenials.
I probably shouldn't have said "kids". It should also probably be implied that leading edge isn't "most used by the general public". Once something gets mopped up its already jumping the shark
The overlap on demographics between reddit and discord is fairly astounding
Discord skews a little bit younger.
Risk taking and novel thoughts
I guess it depends. Young people obviously are taste makers and have disproportionate influence in setting new trends in consumer behavior, use of technology, etc.
I don't know that they represent the cutting edge of political discussion, and I am even less certain that they are way disproportionately on the radical edge of political discussion.
all online numbers are wrong - children are severely underreported because most kids when signing up give fake birthdays to avoid content blocking
I guess it depends. Young people obviously are taste makers and have disproportionate influence in setting new trends in consumer behavior, use of technology, etc.
I don't know that they represent the cutting edge of political discussion, and I am even less certain that they are way disproportionately on the radical edge of political discussion.
Fair point. I guess I was speaking in general terms. I definitely wouldn't expect high level political discussions to be happening in Discord. Just more speaking on the place of Forums in the sphere of modern cultural influence
On this page alone, outside of PW (who likely has an older account somewhere), every account is 10+ years old
There are certainly a number of posters here who, while they may biologically be adults... well, let's just say I'd be careful not to leave sharp objects or choking hazards lying around if they were about.
