Cheeseburger gone wrong?

Cheeseburger gone wrong?

30 minutes into Friday day session. V is unknown. $1/2.

H $290 SB AKss fold to H. H says Chesseburger. Thinks BB agrees and throws in his dollar to complete.

V late 30’s WG. $325. Raises to $12?? Wtf? H now realizes the V doesn’t know what cheeseburger means. H 3b’s to $37. V calls.

Flop $68
Kh5d3h

H goes $50, V goes $125, H stuffs for $253 total. Standard?

30 August 2024 at 05:16 PM
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Also, I’m learning that I can’t range a V to save my life. Anyone that could offer an opinion on what V’s range might look like would be helpful.

Right now I have V on any hand ahead of pocket 2’s, Plus every straight draw.


wtf is a cheeseburger


I would just call flop. If he has KQ we can get all the money on a later street. Don’t want to scare away his bluffs (if there are any) or his JJ/QQ that might be spazzing.

Also I would either raise or chop pre-flop. Guessing there is a high hand promo or something?


by 411Heelhook k

wtf is a cheeseburger

Sorry thought it was a universal term. Locally it means I have a hand that can make a straight flush or quads, which get paid out as a high hand bonus in the casino. Therefore, instead of just chopping the blinds as standard we’ll just check it down and I’ll try to hit the hand. Again this is very standard locally at least.

it also means a hamburger with cheese on it


Lmao wtf is a hamburger

jk, I think the hand's played fine but I wouldn't be altering how I play based on promotions. Even without promos pre is played fine as you want to have some preflop traps in your range playing bvb. If y'all were playing deeper I think calling his raise on flop makes a lot of sense but with just $128 more I'd prob just get the money in now.


Maybe he does understand what a cheeseburger is and now puts you on 76hh

IDK, hand seems like it's played fine to me


by twitcherroo k

Sorry thought it was a universal term. Locally it means I have a hand that can make a straight flush or quads, which get paid out as a high hand bonus in the casino. Therefore, instead of just chopping the blinds as standard we’ll just check it down and I’ll try to hit the hand. Again this is very standard locally at least.

The checking down in the blinds is universal in HH rooms.

However, calling it "cheeseburger" is usually followed by "Is there a physician in the cardroom? Someone may be having a stroke."


Lol @ cheezeburger, never heard that one. Against knowing regs I usually just pause and quietly ask "would you like to see a flop?" and everyone knows what that means (most every reg in our room chops or checks down BBJ possible hands here).

I'd actually be pretty concerned I was coolered at some point here. No one who plays lolLLSNL considers this a "SB vs BB configuration" and all that entails. All this action typically means is that they a ****ing monster, at least ime.

Gstoprunningbad,imoG


Cheeseburger in this sense is almost certainly a local meaning. Years ago when McDonalds had cheeseburgers for $1, it meant playing for a couple of bucks at a time.


by venice10 k

Cheeseburger in this sense is almost certainly a local meaning. Years ago when McDonalds had cheeseburgers for $1, it meant playing for a couple of bucks at a time.

Double cheeseburgers! I feel like my dad talking about burgers being a nickel each.

Besides the limp dynamic hand - I would open pre unless there was some weird dynamic where there wad a huge flat drop for rake and chopping makes sense - I think the hand seems reasonable.


by twitcherroo k

Sorry thought it was a universal term. Locally it means I have a hand that can make a straight flush or quads, which get paid out as a high hand bonus in the casino. Therefore, instead of just chopping the blinds as standard we’ll just check it down and I’ll try to hit the hand. Again this is very standard locally at least.

I've personally never heard of it.

What is the norm if you actually win the high hand. Are you supposed to give some to the other player. Is it 50/50?


by hitchens97 k

What is the norm if you actually win the high hand. Are you supposed to give some to the other player. Is it 50/50?

Takes them out for cheezeburgers?

Ghandholdingoptional,butimpliedG


by hitchens97 k

I've personally never heard of it.

What is the norm if you actually win the high hand. Are you supposed to give some to the other player. Is it 50/50?

The high hands are usually like $100-$500 so no expectation to hit the blinds with $$.


High hands are hard to hit and usually require a minimum in the pot to qualify. Also floors having a bad day can decide lots of things are collusion and so it doesn't qualify after you say "let's torch $2 each" to the BB.
So my big advice:
JUST FRACKING CHOP and move on to the next hand.

After you are "forced" to play SB vs. BB, I think it's mostly fine.
Flop bet looks too big, but that's mainly a balance problem with having the 3rd nuts in your range but also makes all of our options limited.
V should be strong, but it's not like you can assume he must have AA.
Your flop 3bet looks super strong and he should probably think about it with KQ/KJ, but what else are you gonna do because calling looks pretty damn strong too and gives him two free cards if he's got NFD or something.


by hitchens97 k

What is the norm if you actually win the high hand. Are you supposed to give some to the other player. Is it 50/50?

This is one of the reasons it's so problematic ... different rooms have different rules, so depending where they most often play each player will have different customs. Eg. MGM Springfield doesn't take a rake until the pot hits $10 ... so the custom there is if someone hits they "bet" (needs to be over $10 in the pot but the bet could be $5 making it $14) then the person who hits gives the other player their money back, if nobody hits then it checks down and the $4 pot is awarded to whoever wins (more often the guy who wants to try for the HH).
But that room is "the best" for blind HH collusion, Foxwoods will take $2 or $3 (of the $4) on the flop and you need $20 in the pot to qualify, so it's a giant mess and I always try to explain I'll just play BvB as "normally" as possible (which means you kind of have to giant open raise or fold).


I actually like the flop bet size, and imo even bigger makes a lot of sense to make this a two street hand. $70 on flop $183 on turn gets it done. I think this particular board dynamic with high low low and two suits gives bb a ton of hands that really want to float at least one bet but don't really want to face a ton of heat. 66-QQ, 56s, A2s-A5s, all non nut flush draws all really hate seeing a big flop bet.


by 411Heelhook k

I actually like the flop bet size, and imo even bigger makes a lot of sense to make this a two street hand.

So your plan is to bet over 75% pot with AK/AA and bet small with QQ? Or check?
What about like 99 that should probably play this way preflop, but maybe that depends on BB.


99-QQ would be bet smaller or checked. Like don't get me wrong I think betting smaller is also completely fine, I just think betting big here makes sense occasionally as the preflop 3bettor and this is one of the hands he should be doing it with.


What's with all this blind chopping that seems to be so standard to a lot of you? Why not just play? In my room I only see it occasionally, mostly because officially it's not allowed, though most dealers don’t actually enforce this rule.


I don't chop blinds. If I was so concerned about the casino taking rake I wouldn't turn up to play in the first place


by moxterite k

I don't chop blinds. If I was so concerned about the casino taking rake I wouldn't turn up to play in the first place

LOL...one normally has to be sitting at a poker table to hear somewhat crow "This money means nothing to me."


There are lots of threads about chopping. Let's get back to the OP question or I'll need to lock this.


A little bigger pre, a lot smaller OTF, but otherwise hand is good. No real reason to have a flatting range once he sticks half your stacks in.


Paying rake to try to hit high hand or jackpot is a huge punt. I chop without looking.

Well played imo.

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