Flopped Straight 4 Ways
Hero has 18K at 200-400/400, and opens the HiJack with T8dd. The Cutoff and both blinds call.
Flop is 9c7d6c. Checked to the hero who bets ~ 2/3 pot; only the Cutoff Calls.
Turn is 7h. SPR is now about 1.5
Does hero bet again? Check/Call or Check/Raise or Check/Jam (I realize the latter two choices are size dependent, so Assume Villain bets 1/2 pot if you check).
No particular reads.
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Yes I would bet again, no need to get fancy, if he's called with 2 players still left to act he probably has a piece of this board but most likely not a monster, and if he is drawing we want to make him pay. If he raises it would be difficult to lay down, I would probably call 1 raise and decide on river depending on the card.
I think check calling is the worst option, since there are so many bad rivers for us, and the value of straights tends to decay so rapidly. If we're beat on the turn we're obviously going broke anyway, but I don't think 2 pair or a set would have flatted on this flop. So he probably has some mixture of A9s, flush draws, and pair + draw combos.
If this was a recreational, low buyin tournament, I would lean toward betting again since people will make incorrect calls, but against good players I think I would check/jam. Good players will stab with most of the draws, and the middle card pairing favors villain's range. Betting and getting raised by a weaker hand is a pretty advanced move we aren't likely to see, and we don't want to see either a fold or a call followed by a terrible river.
So yeah I check jam. Interesting spot
I went for the check shove, thinking much like LifeNit. A solver probably bets, but I thought that Villain was so likely to bet virtually all his range. He did bet, and slowly folded to my shove.
A friend who I respect was on team bet. I thought this would let him realize his equity too well.
I think check/jam in this spot is great when CO bets but is awkward when he checks it back. There are so few cards that wouldn't improve your possible hands that betting the river after the turn checks through will likely only be called if he hits his flush (which might be a spot where its a check/call). There is a reason why the check won't induce a bet from CO and that is that when the board pairs often an overpair will check call the turn. So if CO is on a draw they will likely check it back. If you had a hand like AK it is unlikely you would bet the flop vs 3 opponents so you won't be seeing a lot of bluffs on the turn. Where you get a call on the shove is when Villain has 7x (like 87 or A7) and he can't fold.
On the flop I would bet about 1/4 pot because the flop favors everyone but us and in theory we could get raised. By betting 2/3 pot vs 3 players we are basically saying we crushed the flop (set, straight, flush draw and/or straight draw). Then on the turn we can bet again but like 67% pot which would make it a difficult spot for draws against us.
As played I would lead out the turn. But I would call a raise. So be it.
Funny thing is I think you made as much on this hand as you possibly could because of the way you played it.
I went for the check shove, thinking much like LifeNit. A solver probably bets, but I thought that Villain was so likely to bet virtually all his range. He did bet, and slowly folded to my shove.
A friend who I respect was on team bet. I thought this would let him realize his equity too well.
I think overall I like bet/bet/shove, assuming the river isn't gross like a 7 or 9. He can check back and realize his equity for free too much. If you have a read that villain will bet all the time here, then check/raising is better than it would be otherwise. I suspect it might let him get away from hands you could stack, though. Sounds like we're still fairly early in the tournament given the blind level, and nothing he can have (other than a boat, which GG us if that happened on the turn) has a ton of equity against us-- JT of clubs has 11 outs, 7x has 11 outs, so those are both about 3:1 dogs with one card to come. Given that it's early in the tournament I think the higher variance line that maximizes your chances of getting your stack in is probably preferable.
+1 bet bet shove.
With a hand that can't improve on a dynamic board like this, we want all our chips in the middle on the turn if we can.
Villain has position and can play rivers quite well. I guess he might call off with 7x unimproved, but will otherwise call when ahead and fold when he misses.
Open shoving the turn seems terrible. That leaves check shove. I think his turn betting frequency will be quite high with all his range; he'll want to semi bluff his draws, bet for protection with his 9x, 88 type hands (that think I have AK or a draw) and bet for value with his 7x. GG if he has us beat already.
I'd much rather be the one putting the last chips in, than calling off he jams over our turn barrel.
By the way, there is one draw that has a ton of equity, 7x of clubs. Probably only A7, 87 since the board blocks some of the other obvious 7xcc hands.
I would bet smaller on the flop, like 40% pot, then size up on the turn to set up a river jam.
When you think about it you don't have many hands that want to put in a lot of money on this flop vs 3 players. More often you're betting to deny equity and charge draws. So a smaller bet makes more sense with most of your range. That plus when you have the nuts you want to encourage loose calls and raises.
I don't hate the way you played the hand though.
It's just when you think about it the 7 on the turn really isn't as good for his range as it might seem. How many 7x flat in the CO vs a HJ open, and how many of those hands call a 2/3 pot flop bet on this scary board with 2 players still to act?
I also agree with other posters that a lot of draws would check back turn in villain's position.
Anyway, these types of boards are tricky to play and it's interesting to read the different approaches.
I would bet smaller on the flop, like 40% pot, then size up on the turn to set up a river jam.
When you think about it you don't have many hands that want to put in a lot of money on this flop vs 3 players. More often you're betting to deny equity and charge draws. So a smaller bet makes more sense with most of your range. That plus when you have the nuts you want to encourage loose calls and raises.
I don't hate the way you played the hand though.
It's just when you think about it the 7 on the tu
Theory is small bet for sure; I went bigger as an exploit that most players at this level are inelastic with their calling ranges.
As for the 7x; yes a small part of their range, and perhaps that is why going bet/bet/jam might not be great; we are hoping to get called by what?
What 7x gets to the turn?
3 A7s
2 87s
2 76s (though that might raise the flop)
Villain shouldn't have much 97s or 75s, but those hands are continuing the flop (especially 75cc).
The crux of the matter is really how will Villain play his draws. If we think he will stab turn to get folds from my presumed AK type hands that are giving up, then check is best. If we think he will check back, then we want to charge the draws on the turn.
I recognize that I won't have AK here, but mid stakes tournament players often just put us on AK regardless of flop texture when we cbet.
Flop sizing is fine. Anywhere between 40-75% should be fine, any draw is going to call anyway.
If you were a bit shallower check jam could work as villain would be committed once they vet. But at these stack sizes I would bet 60-75% again and evaluate on river.