AA all in
Hello,
Live poker table, 8 players, many are loose and not that good. Blinds 1/2, Hero stack 350
Hero AA in SB, button just called straddle (4), h raise 12, UTG called and button called.
Pot ~38
Flop 9♠️ 7♣️ 5♣️
H wants to stop villans to follow any draw (table is loose, so they could have called with some suited connector or A8, A6 or even A9).
Bet 50, both v call
Pot ~200
Turn 9♠️ 7♣️ 5♣️ 3♠️
Now h has less than 300, and this card doesn't help most of the time v, unless one of them has 46, but I think 6 or 8 or ♣️ would have been worse.
Because of some previous hand, one of the villan may call hero all in even if behind following some draw, so h shove on the turn.
What do you think about H strategy?
Preflop is much too small (wording is a little confusing, was it a UTG straddle which button limped?). Either way, go to at least 20, maybe 25.
Flop is OK, not the best not the worst it's not like it was T97. Your small sizing may have kept in the suited one gappers (if you'd gone 20 preflop you could be more confident here). Even so I don't mind a big bet here.
But when you overbet and get called twice you need to start reviewing the situation. Did you have a club yourself? Your best case scenario is that someone has 9Xcc and someone else has the nut flush draw or something like T8cc. If the SPR was smaller this would be a good jam, but I'm not sure I like an overbet-overbet line on 9753.
First point you mentioned yes, but almost everyone in that table except myself always did straddle, and I agree about the bet preflop.
Anyway as mentioned, I already saw in that table weird calls with some draw, I think one of them may call with A6 or A8 or because of some flash draw.
If I betted 100, half of the pot, v may have just followed me, and for half of the pot could have been worth it for them. If I betted 150 or more, I would have been committed. If I checked most of the times o would have left a free card.
Agree?
Preflop is much too small (wording is a little confusing, was it a UTG straddle which button limped?). Either way, go to at least 20, maybe 25.
Flop is OK, not the best not the worst it's not like it was T97. Your small sizing may have kept in the suited one gappers (if you'd gone 20 preflop you could be more confident here). Even so I don't mind a big bet here.
But when you overbet and get called twice you need to start reviewing the situation. Did you have a club yourself? Your best case scenari
First point you mentioned yes, but almost everyone in that table except myself always did straddle, and I agree about the bet preflop.
Anyway as mentioned, I already saw in that table weird calls with some draw, I think one of them may call with A6 or A8 or because of some flash draw.
If I betted 100, half of the pot, v may have just followed me, and for half of the pot could have been worth it for them. If I betted 150 or more, I would have been committed. If I checked most of the times I would have left a free card.
Agree?
Preflop is really bad. You want to get called with aces, but aces are not the nuts postflop. You need to build the pot and you don't mind narrowing the field.
This is not a good board for your range. When you bet strongly it looks like you have an overpair or flush draw. You can get the money in, but you won't always be good.
Preflop is really bad. You want to get called with aces, but aces are not the nuts postflop. You need to build the pot and you don't mind narrowing the field.
This is not a good board for your range. When you bet strongly it looks like you have an overpair or flush draw. You can get the money in, but you won't always be good.
No doubt about preflop, but post flop I'm suppose to bet and not give any free card, in the previous comment I mentioned why I did bet in that way
Yes, the bet pre is way too small if you think it's getting called by "some suited connector or A8, A6 or even A9."
AP, overbetting the flop is overplay. If they flopped an 8-9 out draw and call even 2/3 pot, they are making a mistake unless you are offering them great implied odds, by not being able to fold after their draw comes in. Given game dynamics, I don't mind sizing up to a PSB for thick value, but overbetting because you are afraid of draws is bad.
AP to turn, this is the same problem. You are betting too much to deny equity and probably too much to get value from anything worse. Basically this bet gets called if you are already beat, and usually doesn't get called by the hands you would like value from.
Yes, the bet pre is way too small if you think it's getting called by "some suited connector or A8, A6 or even A9."
AP, overbetting the flop is overplay. If they flopped an 8-9 out draw and call even 2/3 pot, they are making a mistake unless you are offering them great implied odds, by not being able to fold after their draw comes in. Given game dynamics, I don't mind sizing up to a PSB for thick value, but overbetting because you are afraid of draws is bad.
AP to turn, this is the same problem.
As mentioned the table was loose, just few hands before one of them called just with a draw. Few post below I said why I did bet
Note that you do not necessarily want them to fold their draws. You want them to make a mistake; folding a worse hand when they aren't getting proper odds is not a mistake for them. You want them to call a bet with a worse hand when they aren't getting the correct odds to call
I'd raise 15-20 pf using the old 3+1 rule. Keep in mind that I would be raising that much with a number of hands besides AA.
As played, your big mistake on the flop is that you want draws to call, not to fold. You just don't want to give them the right odds to do so. I'd bet about 1/2 PSB. The reason is a lot of weak players remember that they are 2:1 to get a flush with a draw on the flop. They forget that they have to see two cards to get that. I don't plan on letting them see the second card for free.
On the turn, if you got a fold, you most likely had the best hand and didn't want them to fold. A call the vast majority of the time beats you.
As mentioned the table was loose, just few hands before one of them called just with a draw. Few post below I said why I did bet
But what sized bet did they call with just a draw? And what kind of IOs were they getting? If they are paying off over bets with a bare draw, sure, get that value. But you don't want them to fold. You want them to overpay. And most Vs won't overpay that much.
But what sized bet did they call with just a draw? And what kind of IOs were they getting? If they are paying off over bets with a bare draw, sure, get that value. But you don't want them to fold. You want them to overpay. And most Vs won't overpay that much.
This guy few hands before just called an all in with straight draw (something like j10 and 892 on the flop), and his stack was more than the pot, so it thought he could do the same.
He was gambling, he got angry just because other playera were thinking few seconds more.
Well, in that case, sorry you ran into it this time, but as long as you're sufficiently bankrolled, get that value. But stop hoping draws will fold. That tells me you aren't rolled, at least not mentally.
Raise bigger pre. From OOP, I'd go 4x + 1x for each caller.
Check flop from OOP and multi-way, to check raise. If it's a loose and gambling table, someone will stab at this when we check.
I think shoving turn is bad. Our opponents could have a lot of 2P+ when they call our flop over-bet.
Well, in that case, sorry you ran into it this time, but as long as you're sufficiently bankrolled, get that value. But stop hoping draws will fold. That tells me you aren't rolled, at least not mentally.
You mean I dont understand the game?
By the way I want opponents to pay me if they are following some draw, that's it.
In this spot for sure I didn't bet the right amount preflop and maybe post flop, but I doubt that checking on flop or turn would have been the right choice, would have?
Raise bigger pre. From OOP, I'd go 4x + 1x for each caller.
Check flop from OOP and multi-way, to check raise. If it's a loose and gambling table, someone will stab at this when we check.
I think shoving turn is bad. Our opponents could have a lot of 2P+ when they call our flop over-bet.
As mentioned one opponent called something like that, also checking on turn would have been an error, for sure I didn't bet enough preflop and maybe could have bet less on turn.
When you overbet the flop and get not one but two callers you need to give very strong consideration to checking the turn. Overbetting again is an overplay (unless you're trying to turn this hand into a bluff). Your hand looks very face up (ie a scared overpair that doesn't know what to do).
When you overbet the flop and get not one but two callers you need to give very strong consideration to checking the turn. Overbetting again is an overplay (unless you're trying to turn this hand into a bluff). Your hand looks very face up (ie a scared overpair that doesn't know what to do).
I just don't agree about checking the turn, as I said those players were gambling and not that good, which is something to take into consideration as you don't play the same way with everyone, I probably could have bet less but checking the turn in that table with that hand would mean to just give a free card.
Well, it's your party. If you think people are really calling overbets with a gutshot then fill your boots.
As mentioned one opponent called something like that, also checking on turn would have been an error, for sure I didn't bet enough preflop and maybe could have bet less on turn.
Did you come here seeking our advice, or our approval?
Everyone here can read and understand what you've said. No one agrees with the line you've taken in this hand. One of the following statements must be true:
1. You know better than all of us, and shouldn't be here asking for our advice.
2. Your line is bad, and you should listen to everyone trying to explain why.
Well, it's your party. If you think people are really calling overbets with a gutshot then fill your boots.
As I said before one of them did just few hands before. In my opinion I was wrong betting those amounts but betting was the right choice in my opinion. Also I betted almost the pot, the v before called an all in with a draw.
Did you come here seeking our advice, or our approval?
Everyone here can read and understand what you've said. No one agrees with the line you've taken in this hand. One of the following statements must be true:
1. You know better than all of us, and shouldn't be here asking for our advice.
2. Your line is bad, and you should listen to everyone trying to explain why.
Listen doesn't mean I have to agree with everything, I said you all are right about I didn't bet enough preflop and too much on turn, but I just don't agree playing that hand passively on turn with those players, if you have reasons that can change my opinion happy to discuss this, but with those players I don't see why I should check the turn
Did you come here seeking our advice, or our approval?
Everyone here can read and understand what you've said. No one agrees with the line you've taken in this hand. One of the following statements must be true:
1. You know better than all of us, and shouldn't be here asking for our advice.
2. Your line is bad, and you should listen to everyone trying to explain why.
Also, another user said the bet on turn could have been right if it was less, so not everyone agrees with you and it is not the general opinion on this
I'd raise 15-20 pf using the old 3+1 rule. Keep in mind that I would be raising that much with a number of hands besides AA.
As played, your big mistake on the flop is that you want draws to call, not to fold. You just don't want to give them the right odds to do so. I'd bet about 1/2 PSB. The reason is a lot of weak players remember that they are 2:1 to get a flush with a draw on the flop. They forget that they have to see two cards to get that. I don't plan on letting them see the second
So you agree with a bet on turn?
Ok, OP, please stop arguing with everyone who posts. If your game conditions are highly unusual and you have strong reads on your Vs, then we can't help you, as you know the situation better than we do. But the goal of posting here is to learn, not to convince people that you're right.
You don't have to respond to every post.
