Carnivore vs vegan diet

Unfortunately I came across a Parasense post today, which prompted me to dust off my 2p2 account.

Pushing back against unscientific carnivore claims=/=being vegan (which I’m not)

You obviously don't have any clue what you're talking about. There is overwhelming evidence and "proof" that a pure Carnivore way of eating is far superior for the human body AND MIND. I wish to emphasize "the mind" because it's the easiest and fastest cure for any mental health issue including but not limited to depression, anxiety and panic attacks. Yes it's great for losing weight too but there are other ways to lose weight (although not as easy) but they don't come with feeling amazing with increased energy and a clearer mind.

A simple youtube search for statements such as "Carnivore cured my anxiety" will show thousands of real testimonials. I know you probably aren't even interested in researching these simple things for yourself, so here are the links

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...

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Another very easy way of proving all this is to join the FB group titled "Carnivore Diet for Beginners" which is now at 130K members, and there is post after post of real people stating "Carnivore cured this!" and "Carnivore cured that!" as well as "I've never felt this good in my entire life" and you'll never hear anyone say they tried it but it didn't work for them.

Animal fats and proteins are what the human body needs, not plants, sugar, grains, flour and tons of artificial ingredients. They're all great for the pharmaceutical industry and the healthcare industry, but not for people themselves.

You can’t just keep repeating the same **** over and over.

“Join this Facebook group!” is not the sell you think it is.

I can find Facebook groups that claim colloidal silver cured things, too. And energy crystals. And prayer. And vegan diet. And paleo.

Can’t tell if this is satire, but in case it isn’t and you genuinely think this constitutes as evidence I feel for you and wish you well

Lol at YouTube links being evidence. Cite some actual scientific studies published in reputable medical publications.

People are open to it being a possibly good diet, but psuedoscience and anecdotes aren't going to convince anyone it is.

I was fairly confident you're a moron based on your advice in the live poker threads but this confirms it. 5 youtube links and a FB group is now considered evidence.

😀

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...

It's 2024, a simple google search will pull these things up.

It's so ironic that when people are given scripts by their doctor they run to CVS to fill it instead of asking for studies showing the medication has overwhelming benefits that will outweigh all the potentially life threatening side effects.

Did you post this with the hope that no one would click on it?

"Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a “Carnivore Diet”"

I mean, come on, boyo, how can you think a social media survey is adequate when someone asks for a peer-reviewed scientific study?

I know it must be a lot of fancy pancy words compared to YT vids/FB group, but have you actually tried reading the study?
Here’s an excerpt from it:

“ These findings must be interpreted cautiously in view of several major design limitations. Our survey assessed the perception of individuals following a carnivore diet and did not objectively assess diet, nutrient status, health-related outcomes, or confounding health-associated behaviors; and no physiological or biochemical measurements were obtained. These self-reported data are prone to recall and reporting bias, especially for the prediet information. Specifically, participants may have started the diet during a time of poor health and perceived subsequent regression to the mean as a benefit of the diet and being online community members may have resulted in over-reporting of adherence and perceived beneficial effects. Because no validated instruments are available to assess food intake frequency in a carnivore population, we used modified Likert scales. We did not assess portion size or other quantitative intake characteristics, nor did we use other dietary instruments for a more detailed characterization of the diet; these comprise topics of future investigations. Finally, the generalizability of the findings is unknown owing to the existence of selection bias, because individuals who experienced adverse effects or lack of health benefits are likely to have abandoned the diet and would therefore not have been captured in this survey. Adults adhering to a carnivore diet and responding to this online survey represent a special subpopulation with high levels of motivation and other health-related behaviors (e.g., physical activity, consumption of relatively whole, unprocessed foods). Therefore, respondents likely differ from the general population in ways that could influence the effectiveness, practicality, and safety of a carnivore diet. Related to this point, we did not obtain detailed information on diet and lifestyle habits before beginning a carnivore diet.”

I'm fairly confident your a much bigger one for suggesting that all the tens or hundreds of thousands of results that come up in internet searches from private individual citizens are all conspiring to lie about being cured/helped/had their lives changed on a carnivore way of eating.

I wonder how many Nigerian scams Playbig has fallen for.

Based on the lack of braincells I’m sure it’s a lot. You know those “hot wife in your area wants to meet up” ads? They’re made for people like him.

So is this your way of admitting that you have no peer-reviewed scientific studies to reference, despite saying that it's 2024 and a simple Google search will turn them up?

Parasense,

Don't PM me your bullshit (I guess I'm not on ignore, eh?) and get big mad that I'm posting in YOUR [sic] thread. You are the one who decided to abandon it.

But if you have something to say, post it here. You're not going to be banned if you post in this thread. I don't think any of the mods care about your foot stomping and your entertainment value is too high to ban your ass for talking out your ass.

I’m pretty sure the link he provided was to a peer-reviewed article. There may be limitations in their methodology but I believe it is peer-reviewed nonetheless.

Peer-reviewed scientific study. I'm not a scientist, but I'd venture to say that a social media survey is not very scientific with regard to diet.

It appears to have been published in a peer-reviewed journal called Current Developments in Nutrition by the American Society for Nutrition.

It’s pretty typical (at least in psychology) to have a section on limitations of a study that highlights potential shortcomings of the methodology used. I’m not sure if that article has a limitations section or what the standards are for nutrition journals, though.

Also, there appears to be some controversy with the American Society of Nutrition taking money from the food and drink industries. Unfortunately, this is not terribly uncommon in a variety of fields.

It is unfortunately a pretty common complaint about research, journals, universities, funding, etc. in general. Political/lobbying bias abounds.

1 flawed study on the carnivore diet vs 11 randomised controlled trials, incl identical twin studies, on a vegan diet.

I’ll spare you all the links, but here is the meta analysis of 11 RCT https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...

Team carnivore is coming across more culty, delusional and dogmatic than your average vegan.

Here's what they set out to do:

#3 is pretty lol. I can't see in any situation where participant-perceived nutritional deficiencies is of any value with a diet that is ideological. Potato chip eating ethical vegans have proven that - hair is falling out, numbness in the extremities, edema... and the report is "everything is great - no deficiencies," so I can only imagine that a Facebook group called World Carnivore Tribe, where their largest pool of data came from, would respond in kind.

But on to a more important issue. It sounds like you have a doctorate in psychology and presumably are or were a practicing psychologist?

What do you feel about Playbig's assertion that all psychological disorders can be cured within a few days of eating a carnivore diet? Do you think a person with schizophrenia should flush the pills and leave the care of a psychiatrist for a side of beef?

I do not believe the carnivore diet could cure all psychological disorders. I don’t believe ANY diet could cure all psychological disorders.

carnovire the best for me !

Pretty wild how you somehow chose this one thread in a tiny, off-topic subforum for your first post on a poker site.

So the question is, what exactly causes some people to suffer with anxiety disorders, whether it's GAD, Depression, Panic attacks or even PTSD? Is the direct cause even known in the medical community?

Could it possibly be that some people's bodies are having a reaction to things such as sugar, aspartame, artificial chemicals, preservatives, corn syrup, bread, grains or seed oils? The carnivore diet is an elimination diet, and once all these artificial chemicals, grains and starches are removed from the diet the symptoms go away literally almost magically.

I can remember in my own case when my symptoms started melting away after only 3 to 5 days of forcing down two burger patties and a piece of salmon, and I was telling myself "this is only temporary, it's sure to come back" (because having suffered almost my whole life with it I knew it's usually like a roller coaster) but the symptoms never came back. They only came back the couple times I went off carnivore such as when I was sick and wanted orange juice, then I said **** it and started eating pizza and everything else including sugar for almost 2 months. I also remember month after month and even year after year I kept feeling better and better regarding my energy levels and total sense of well being, like when I was 6 years old.

I also tried about 5 or 6 different antidepressants, even though I told my doctors I'm not depressed, I just have this feeling like I'm suffocating, like I'm breathing but not getting any oxygen but was told the anxiety is due to depression. This went on for a decade. The medical community didn't cure me, I cured myself after trying Carnivore out of desperation after hearing people that went on it for weight loss also surprisingly cured their anxiety issues. And it's not just me, it's everyone I've heard of that went on pure carnivore due to anxiety, depression or panic attacks. As I mentioned it's all over the internet. This isn't some whack diet that works for a few people, it works for everyone.

The medical community only knows how to prescribe meds (which don't work) or prescribe CBT which is just a way of trying to mask the symtoms. The reason why there are no major medical studies is because if you went to a mental hospital and put everyone in it on a carnivore diet, that hospital would go out of business. Sad, but true.