The OMC LRR from EP - always AA/AK and never AK/JJ?

I would just fold, even if he wasn't an OMC.

Early position l/rr's (especially over a straddle) are usually KK+, but mostly aces.

Of course, but 85% of the time it's usually KK+, with the other 15% mixed with hands like AK, JJ, TT, 99, etc. which is why I don't regret folding if he shows something we woulda beat. Pokers a numbers game.

Fold. Boring hand.

Not going to speculate if he has JJ/AK sometimes. This is the most standard fold ever vs OMC who lrr from EP.

Yeah you're flipping with AK at best.

Never always but almost always always. At this shallow depth due to straddle easy fold I think.

It could be AK/JJ but those hands are more likely to shove than make it $100 on top. I guess if you had a loose image they would shove, if you had a tight image they probably call.

It is also worth pointing out that you can be half right here and still in trouble. If his range is AA/KK/AK, you are in quite bad shape. You need BOTH AK and JJ to be in his range now and in his shove-calling range for you to be happy jamming here.

This is a fairly straightforward fold even against a reg.

What makes it even more so is he's re-raising into more limpers (you didn't specify how many), so I suspect he's supremely confident about his hand.

Sure the odd time he may show up with AK or JJ, but never at a frequency that makes calling profitable.

The #1 rule of playing early Friday night is don’t pay off OMC.

I appreciate everyone confirming what I already thought. Allow me to ask a follow up question...

Suppose we fold face up, and after the hand, the OMC claims he had AK.

Do we believe him, ever?

Also, regardless of whether we believe him or not, is there anything we can deduce from the fact he claimed he had AK, rather than some other hand we could beat, such as JJ?

Don't ever fold this face up!!!

A few years back i saw a sweet little old lady lie about what cards she had when she laid a hand down that I had caught a glimpse of. After that I take with a pinch of salt what somebody says their cards were if they think nobody will ever find out.

If he had AK he woulda beat you to the felt and showed it. He most likely had aces and you made him look like a fool for playing his hand face up (just don't do that again ok).

Why show? Just pretend you had ATo or something. He could’ve told you he had 72o what does it matter? I never take anything as concrete info unless there’s a showdown.

Docvail - with the greatest respect because you're a good poster, I think you're letting villain get in your head. You played it correct (apart from showing). Time to let go. Would you have even posted if he hadn't said anything?

Never show your cards ever and stop wasting mental energy on what an OMC claims he had.

Errbuddy calm down. I didn't fold face up. At least not exactly.

Since this thread doesn't seem to need 24 hours or much brain power, here's what happened...

I tanked for a few seconds, to have a little funeral for the ladies, figuring at BEST I was up against AK. But before folding, I figured it couldn't hurt to see if I could get anything from him.

The guy barely uttered a sound in the previous hour. I've played with him before, and know this is his MO, so before I folded, I held my cards up high, facing me, but out over the betting line, obviously not protecting my hand, just to see if I could get him to flinch, or scowl, or anything.

I didn't mind if anyone else at the table saw my hand. There's some value in them knowing I wasn't opening light, since I was folding.

He didn't budge or so much as blink, so I mucked, and he returns his cards to the dealer face down. Someone at the other end of the table asked the guys at my end what I showed, since the guys on either side of me could see my cards when I held them up. I said "queens", the guy next to me confirmed it, and that was that. Or so I thought.

A few minutes later, out of nowhere, the OMC looks at me and says, "I had AK".

"Really? If I jam, you're calling?"

"Of course, I didn't have enough left behind to fold. If we're flipping, we're flipping."

Hah! Somehow, I doubt it.

Because I was skeptical, a few minutes later, I got up to ask a few regs what they thought. Unanimously, no one was sure if they believed him, and all agreed that it didn't matter, because why flip for stacks with an OMC who more than likely actually has us crushed.

But thinking about it more, the fact that he said "AK", not JJ, or even QQ, or KK, is somewhat telling, I think. It suggests that even he acknowledges that he's only got thick value there, such that I don't even believe he'd make that play with AK, or QQ, and I'm not sure how often he'd do it with KK.

The OMC limp-3B is just such a cliche that I wonder if any OMC's ever get a wild hair up their a$$ and decide they're going to pull that move on the aggro youngster who never limps, with something that isn't AA.

The problem is that they seem physically incapable of ever getting out of line when OOP, so much so that he couldn't even imagine a hand worse than AK that he might have there. If he said JJ or TT, I might believe he had AK, but when AK is the worst hand he can imagine himself having there, I think it's AA >95% of the time.

I don't mind folding face up sometimes, but really bad to show QQ here. You can show one Q if you want.

Respectfully, I disagree. I'm going to be opening a wide range from LP, and relentlessly punishing the limpers. I'm not going to fold to very many 3B's when I'm IP. This is one of the obvious exceptions. I want my opponents thinking I'm playing nitty and only opening monsters.

If I insta-muck just because my V is an OMC who limp-3B me, my opponents might wonder if I wasn't out of line and raising with napkins, just to squeeze all the dead money in the pot, and start 3B'ing me more. I deliberately tanked before folding, and let my opponents on either side see my cards, to discourage the table from 3B'ing me light.

People seem to think that showing a big laydown induces opponents to play back at us. I don't think that's the case when we make a big laydown in a spot where it was obviously the correct laydown.

How long have you've played with the OMC? You're not calling him that just because he's old then, right?

Either way, whether or not it was a true OMC, a nit, or a reg, he was at the bottom of his range if he had AK. It really doesn't even matter anyway since results should never matter in these spots.

I'm a little confused by your position in this hand. You say EP, but you also say OMC is UTG1 and there are a "few limps" before you raise. I get that there was a straddle UTG, but when you say EP, do you mean you were in the blinds?

Just curious.

I don't mind folding this face up.

Ugh! Thanks for pointing that out, and sorry for my typo. I was in LP, not EP.

Pretty sure I was the BTN here. I was in seat 8 and he was in seat 3 at a nine handed table. I was raising a lot on the BTN, so I had to stop and think, at least for a moment, if OMC might be getting out of line.

This was at least the second time I've played with him, so we have a few hours together. Long enough to observe he'll sit and fold every hand for hours on end, not uttering a sound or making the slightest effort to acknowledge anyone else at the table. Kind of a miserable bastard.

I agree results don't matter. My point in asking was to see if anyone thinks he's ever getting out of line, to see what range, narrow as it may be, people give him, and if anyone actually believes he might have had AK.

I don't believe him. I'm not even sure I'd believe he had KK. I think a player as nitty as him is going to wait for a safe flop and just jam with KK.

same. he had aces. People don't do that with AK like ever, especially someone who fits his description.

Indeed.

What's funny is that I'll sometimes see "street" poker players doing the EP limp-3B, and they'll get action, sometimes. I've done it, too, but I'll do it with big PP's and total garbage, when I know there's a player to my right who can't see a flop in a limped pot, and has to raise. I'm not expecting anyone to actually call, and so far, I can't remember anyone seeing a flop.

As I was tanking, I was having this internal dialogue, "This is always AA. That's what he wants you to think. He's been watching you raise relentlessly from LP, and he's taking a stand with some JTs BS. He's going to show you as soon as you fold. That's crazy. Look at him. This is always AA. He's praying you can't let go of QQ, KK, or AK. Just. Let. It. Go."

I wonder how often someone pays them off, because they just couldn't let go of KK, QQ or AK.