KK in position 1-3

IDK, for UTG2 to play anything but the nut flush this way is so weird. I'm going to guess he's bad due to the limping and calling a ~7x iso. Bad passive players probably aren't raising sets or AsQx/AsJx enough.

The pot is $355 and you have $195 left, so your decision is between fold or jam. I think you're supposed to fold but jam can't be that bad if there's any doubt. Just checking the turn when it goes 3 ways.

Once both players call the flop, I'm checking the turn and hoping to get to showdown cheaply if the board doesn't pair.

That certainly is a way you could play this, what if one of them has the As you think the best way to play this is to just check behind and possibly let them get there for free? Obviously because I included the action you know that with the check raise one of them likely got there.

The downside to this is that you're not charging high spades (especially the A) enough, and in low limit games, that hand and a few others are going to continue, even for a high price. It sucks when you get raised and put in a tough spot, but I think you're costing yourself long-term if you're checking back nearly the top of your range on the flop because someone could have a monster.

With reads, it can be a better spot to check back, but I hate doing it without knowing something specific.

A set of Kings is not the top of our range on this board.

I understand. That's why I said "nearly".

A set of kings is very good, but we still have better with AQss, AJss, QJss, and even A9ss/A8ss(?).

Nonetheless, I'm not folding a set of kings to the raise, but I still think it's better to check back the turn.

This and if they are raising naked As they are more likely to do it on flop than turn. This seems a nutted line from villain.

On the turn, I am calling. Surely not folding - against an Ace flush we are still at 23% equity.

Jamming on the turn gets nearly no fold equity against main V's line. V can also have smaller sets or KT, which are already dead or drawing dead. Whether we need to jam to get SB out of the pot really depends on what you read on him is.

I'm less concerned about giving a free card to someone who has 8 outs when I have 10 outs to beat them on the river.

This is almost always a check OTT when multiway.

Would people be more likely to bet again (small) with middle set here? With top pair still likely to stay involved?

I overlimp preflop but that's me.

SPR is about 4ish and board is sopping wet. Think I most just target hands that will continue on this board which is mostly draws. So I'd PSB+ the flop to setup a turn shove.

Next time put pot size on each street so we know what we're dealing with. Looks like $135 with $235 left. I'd hammer the turn, and I think you could even argue for a jam at this depth (but really think we should have hammered the flop to setup an easy turn jam). Really dislike our sizing, especially our 1/3rd PSB on the turn. As played, I'm just sigh getting it in.

With top set on a drawy board in an SPR 4 pot, I'm planning on going broke against flopped flushes. Leave smaller bets / not going broke / more cautious play to like SPR 7+/etc. IMO.

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Grunch:

PRE - I might raise a little larger, to $25, from MP, but opening to $20 is also fine.

FLOP - Multi-way on a monotone board, I think we can c-bet smaller, like $15.

TURN - I might check back here, after both V's call the flop. As played, when SB flats again, and UTG2 check-raises, I'm never folding. Probably jamming. UTG2 might have turned 2P or a lower set. We don't mind folding out some flush draws and getting this heads up.

any arguments for checking the flop? if i were to bet small id rather bet small with something i can easily fold to a raise. i dont really see the point of small betting, you arent protecting against anything and you dont really have value either as people arent going to call with middle pair no spade.

limping pre seems insane to me, in typical games that means you get a 4-5 way limped pot and win $10 after rake when flopping on overpair. now if there is super lag behind you, by all means.

You can't be serious about folding top set on the flop to a raise?

depends on who raises and how big the raise is, obviously.

Any reads on these players? Regardless, I go a little bigger on flop. If they both call, I'm OK with checking back turn and evaluating river.

As played, check turn. As played, go with your gut/read and fold or shove.

I agree with GG: psb on the flop, followed by a jam if V raises. If v calls, jam the turn. V has many flushes, but you make your boat one out of three times, and enough players call with flush/straight draws, middle set, two pair.

I appreciate you giving input on the hand, however can you be more specific about what you mean?

First thing is, what is meant by OTT?

Second thing is, are you thinking that I should have checked the flop in position when the two others in the pot checked it to me? Are you saying after they checked it to me on the turn I should have checked?

On the turn.

It would help to have some reads on the opponents, especially UTG2.

Without any specific reads, just relying on population tendencies - the number of people who limp in from UTG and over-call a raise pre with some suited connector, then flop a flush, but slow play it on the flop, and then suddenly decide to blast off on the turn can't be much larger than the number of people who would open pre with that same hand, and just slow-play it until the river.

I guess I'm saying that while UTG2 could have some flushes, he could also have some flush draws that might have improved in some way on the turn, maybe a hand like As5x, or some other hand that improved in some way and needs protection, something like 65. Occasionally he shows up with KT or 66, or some weird OESD with one flush card.

Yeah, he probably has a flush, but we beat some other value, we've got 10 outs to boat up, we've got $195 behind, and there's $355 in the pot. We can't call off the $100 raise and fold for $95 on the river, so we can either call turn and call river no matter what it is, fold because we're not getting the right odds to try to boat up, or jam, and let the poker gods decide our fate.

Hard to think we're making too big a mistake jamming, which would be my preference. Also can't blame anyone for folding, given how little stack depth remains. Don't really think it's a mistake to flat call and see what happens next, so long as we're not folding (maybe only folding if the river is yet another spade).

I know it’s been a while, I just called the check raise as I thought it was somewhat likely that the sb would call giving me much better pot odds to draw to the boat.

Hero: calls
Sb: calls
River: 2c
Sb: All in
Utg+2: all in
Hero:?

I have 95 dollars left in my stack, the pot that I can win is now 745.

I am now getting almost 8:1 on my money to call, it’s hard to quantify if I would be good in this scenario 1 out of 8 times but I surely know that there is a high likelihood I’m not going to be good here. If the river was a spade and it did not pair the board I think I could absolutely justify not calling here.

What do you guys think? Save my money or make the crying call?