[LOW] 1/3 KQo vs Recreational 550 effective, Jam or call?

Once you called him ott I would never fold the river to a brick (not that I would fold ott). He would most likely still do that if he limp/called any suited king.

If this was in a higher game againt a better player that we have history with he would know your UTG raising range and if I knew him (and stacks were several hundo BB's deep) I might play it differently but I would call against this guy who might not even be thinking about anything else in the world except that he just flopped trips (and I'm not jamming I would just call him otr).

I think I'd rather fold KQo UTG rather than bet so little that I either get 3-bet or create a bomb pot.

I think I'm just calling here, but honestly don't expect to be good more than about 50/50 especially given flop raise.

If we raise river everything that beats us is calling, and nearly everything we beat folds; KT calls perhaps if we're lucky.

Also at full ring I am also folding KQo UTG pre.

Villain has 80 vpip

He’s a whale

Raise river even if just a minraise

Seems like a clear jam. If he’s got it he’s got it

Preflop and flop sizings are bad.

I wouldn't minraise either preflop, but whatever. If I was minraising then KQo would certainly be in my UTG range.

As you say obviously not a fold. It's probably close now between raise and call (did you consider leading the river yourself?) If you think that (1) he has all Kx here (plausible given description) and (2) he won't fold any of them then this might be a thin raise. The boat cards are on the higher side so if you think he's more likely to have K7-KJ than he is to have K3-K6 then maybe it's a call. If he has a fold button then also may be a call. Raising is still very tempting but I wonder if jamming does scare away some of the weaker Kings - maybe a small raise is better, for a minraise you might even be able to get away from it if jammed on

I would ship it against described V. My default would be to call but this guy’s 80% range has so much worse trips.

OP here, I ended up shipping and got snap called by K2o..

In hindsight I think I should have made it 230/250, yes preflop and flop sizing need adjusting vs 6 recreationals and 2regs table..

Why are you using two different accounts to post one hand?

"that's poker" (if you're really the OP)

I don't understand the raise size pre. Is that normal for this game? I usually see $10-$15 opens, sometimes more in splashy games, or from EP.

I'm checking range from OOP on the flop, especially multi-way after raising so small pre. Though if we do c-bet, 1/4 pot seems like okay sizing.

His min-click is unsettling. I'd be a little more concerned if we raised to a normal size pre, but after raising small, I might think V is probing to see if we're just range betting. I might click it back here sometimes, and fold if he 4B's.

We don't have much history on him, but with his VPIP rate and our small raise size, it seems like AK, K2, and 22 are all in his range. And if he's rarely OOL post flop, I don't love the idea of check-calling turn and river.

The J on the turn actually seems like a good card for us to rep a boat. As played on the flop, I might donk lead here, for around 1/3 pot. Again, just folding if he raises.

As played on flop and river, it's hard to conceive what worse hands take his line for value and bet almost pot on the river.

I dunno. If he flopped a boat or AK, I'd think he'd want to flat call, to let the blinds come along, and not fold out our AQ, and worse pairs. If he was super aggro post, I would give him more credit for having some bluffs. But I might find a fold on the river, when a guy who is rarely OOL post flop takes this line.

I fold preflop cuz I'm nitty like that.

Think I'm fine with flop/turn.

With AK hand, did he get it HU preflop? If so, nothing overplayee regarding him getting it all in by turn with a small SPR (especially if board was drawy). If it was very multiway, then much more overplayee.

Any reads on us? The tighter / nittier we seem, the more we only have Kx here, which is concerning if he's raised the flop multiway and continued to barrel for decent amounts.

Depending on the answers to some of these questions, the river is prolly closer to a discussion of folding versus calling than anything else. I mean, only the most clueless bet this large with random Kx after our line (and only the super clueless are managing a call with worse unless we are on the opposite side of the nitty spectrum).

ETA: Was originally going to reply that just cuz someone has a high preflop VPIP doesn't automatically make them a whale postflop... although results (if that is what they are) suggest otherwise here.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Well played. So he had K2o in his range; he wasn't folding K3o.

Actually, my bad, didn't realize K2 was a flopped boat. I again maintain that just cuz someone VPIPs at a high rate preflop doesn't necessarily make them a postflop whale.

GclulessNLnoobG

Lol. Just lol.

That's not the point though is it. The question is, does he have worse Kx in his range and is it a call or a raise?

Does he have worse Kx in his range, the obvious answer is yes.

River is not a raise. It's just a call.

It's quite funny how we know he had K2o yet people assign villain a range of K2, AK and 22 only with this line. As if it's impossible he plays a worse Kx this way.

It is very obvious he has naked Kx in his range because his VPIP is 80%. His flop raise is FAR from strong.

It's absolutely possible a whale overplays Kx here. I think we equally overplay our trips if we shove but it's not a fold. He also doesn't have to be a postflop whale, which tbh this is just entering nonsense territory but what ever, to play Kx like this. I mean he's got trips........

At 80% VPIP, that means he also likely has T6dd in his range preflop. But that is very clearly removed from his range by the river here. Obviously K3o ain't exactly absurd territory when he bets the river... but for some it can be removed. Whether or not it can be for this guy (nothing OOL postflop) is debatable, imo.

GbutIstillprollycan'tfindafoldagaionstmostG

Yes the point is he can have plenty of worse Kx. Thank god we finally got there.

Why are we calling him a whale???? It's a loose passive. Might also run a bit scared post with the over-bets with TP, but I'm reluctant to induce very much from one hand about his post flop play.

And given he's a loose passive and raising flop into 3 people, with no draws, this is highly likely trips or better.

???????

80% vpip is now considered loose passive. Alright then.