Israel/Palestine thread
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CNN reported it as “US activist killed”. They reported the hostage being killed as an “American-Israeli hostage”. CNN based anti-zio org confirmed.
You guys are reaaaaaaching hard
lol excellent example, thank you
There's literally tons of people who covered this. I think you're being intentionally lazy.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-u...
The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com 
@victor You’re one of those people that can’t stay on one point and will just move on to the next aren’t you? Amazing how you realized you were full of crap so you want to talk about active vs passive voice instead.
There's literally tons of people who covered this. I think you're being intentionally lazy.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-u...
The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com lol exactly
more than a million gazans received no food rations in august, israel refuses to coordinate polio vaccinations, ~2 children per week dying of hepatitis, meningitis spreading, etc ... holocaust going pretty well i guess
I feel like outlets have covered less the israeli strategy of erasing families. Surprising as usual to see the NYT admit to an israeli crime.
more than a million gazans received no food rations in august, israel refuses to coordinate polio vaccinations, ~2 children per week dying of hepatitis, meningitis spreading, etc ... holocaust going pretty well i guess
Don’t you guys ever get tired of predicting deliberate mass starvation every day for a year and being wrong on every metric?
I feel like outlets have covered less the israeli strategy of erasing families. Surprising as usual to see the NYT admit to an israeli crime.
pro-Israel people will deny this ofc, but if even the NYT is reporting it then things are just way worse than we could even imagine. what an awful story.
more than a million gazans received no food rations in august, israel refuses to coordinate polio vaccinations, ~2 children per week dying of hepatitis, meningitis spreading, etc ... holocaust going pretty well i guess
They are actually actively organizing the polio vaccinations but Hamas is very antivaxxer
Jonathan Pollak, an Israeli activist who also participated in the protest, said the killing occurred shortly after Israeli soldiers encircled a communal prayer. Clashes broke out as a result of the move, but protesters attempted to retreat after they subsided. According to Pollak, two soldiers perched on the roof of a nearby home shot at the activists while they were attempting to leave.
At this time there is not enough evidence to say it was a murder. The eyewitness themselves ambiguously stated that there was a “clash”. Also lefties oftentimes call things murders that are not actually murders.
For now it sounds like a tragic situation. But we have no idea if what killed her was a sniper rifle. Generally if a sniper shoots you in the head, you will probably die pretty quickly. If there was a sniper bullet recovered, you’d also think that it would have been stated.
TBH we don’t even know it was the IDF that killed her. It could have been someone in the crowd returning fire on the IDF that accidentally hit her.
right, the ISM activists had guns and were shooting. fantasy land.
At this time there is not enough evidence to say it was a murder. The eyewitness themselves ambiguously stated that there was a “clash”. Also lefties oftentimes call things murders that are not actually murders.
For now it sounds like a tragic situation. But we have no idea if what killed her was a sniper rifle. Generally if a sniper shoots you in the head, you will probably die pretty quickly. If there was a sniper bullet recovered, you’d also think that it would have been stat
Actually, we do know these things from the eye witnesses. You didn't read the article I linked to above, or the NYT article.
wait where did you get that I said the ISM activists did it? I said “someone in the crowd”
given that the altercation occurred on the frontlines of fighting, where palestinian militants often get into firefights with the idf, it’s not a crazy theory.
its such an outlandish theory that even the IDF hasnt floated it.
it wasnt the front lines of fighting it was peaceful protest, you know the thing that you guys always whatabout.
Actually, we do know these things from the eye witnesses. You didn't read the article I linked to above, or the NYT article.
I have read everything that has been confirmed:
she is dead
she was shot in the head (both confirmed by doctors)
she was involved in a protest
there was an altercation with the idf that she was in the vicinity of
We haven’t confirmed the weapon that was used, we haven’t confirmed what started the altercation, and we haven’t confirmed where she was in relation to the altercation.
I don’t tend to trust eyewitness testimonies as a rule. They are notoriously unreliable.
The IDF also hasn’t confirmed they were the ones that killed her, at least from what I saw. Neither has anyone else. Everybody is saying that an investigation needs to take place except for irresponsible news outlets that are calling it a murder with zero evidence.
is this Paliworld?
So you'll accept eyewitness accounts if they're Israeli?
Almost all the possible data is going to be from witnesses. If you don't consider witnesses, you'll never know anything.
Considering the IDF is killing tens of thousands of civilians in Gaza, why would you find WB accounts of violence so suspicious?
The IDF is going to utilize more than eyewitness accounts in their investigation. If they had confirmed that they killed her, then it would be a done deal, no?
It’s fine to consider witnesses btw but they are notoriously unreliable.
As for your second argument, that’s a complete non-sequitor.
Anyone remember what Israel said about Shareen Abu and Rachel Corrie? They admitted it right? Right?
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So you'll accept eyewitness accounts if they're Israeli?
Almost all the possible data is going to be from witnesses. If you don't consider witnesses, you'll never know anything.
Considering the IDF is killing tens of thousands of civilians in Gaza, why would you find WB accounts of violence so suspicious?
The IDF isn't "killing tens of thousands in Gaza". The IDF killed tens of thousands in a completly justified carpet attack to the territory to dismantle main Hamas strongholds all at the same time, many months ago, and currently is killing 1-2k per month at most since like April.
Of which the vast majority Hamas members or material supporters, + people used as human shield by Hamas. Very very few completly innocent people not put into harm way on purpose by Hamas, almost 0
I won’t even bother with that. They never talk about how half of the 40k dead are actual Hamas fighters, or how they are now recruiting random people of the street with no combat experience because so many Hamas fighters have been killed.
I won’t even bother with that. They never talk about how half of the 40k dead are actual Hamas fighters, or how they are now recruiting random people of the street with no combat experience because so many Hamas fighters have been killed.
If you add material supporters (15y old relaying messages to Hamas operatives, 30y women tending their wounds or preparing them meals and so on) it's more than 3/4
