NL10 full ring - QQ vs open and a 3bet

4bet pre
Its a low sample and even if he is that tight he probably just calls AK and JJ vs your 4bet.

4bet

bruh

fold turn, I guess.

Clear 4bet preflop.

Call on the Turn.

What would you do if the 3bettor showed all in vs 4bet? Or min 5betted against my 4bet?

Would you call all blank river cards if calling the turn?

Im a weak tight bruh I know lol

What if villain go all in or minclick 5bet against my 4 bet?

I would 4B always and would fold vs most players all-in/5B

Then he has AA/KK :p (with those stats) and you have a choice: you can call, see AA, and tell yourself "damn it, I knew it," or you can fold.

Brehhhhh

What did I do? 😊

Sounds reasonable

Against 5bet, I would fold at these limits.

I would fold against the third barrel.
Theoretically, we shouldn't continue on the turn only with SDV hands that will always call on the river.
QQ corresponds to the range of the Call-Call-Check/Fold line.

Good feedback! Thank you ♥

People are saying he should 4B, but what size should he 4B too?

I can't think of a good size.

Is there a reason we go 2.5x and not 3x?

Hmm good question. Maybe I would raise 2.5x as a bluff too. Not sure if it matters on these stakes to have a balanced value/bluffing size. I guess against regs it is a good thing.

Also if villain comes over the top and shoves, I can fold cheaper if I have invested 2.5x instead of 3x. (If I feel that QQ is not good anymore)

The 3bet is (too) big compared to theory, should be ~ $0.7. And then the cold 4bet size in position is a 2x raise to 1.5$. You ask the guy "do you want to play a 4bet pot out of position vs an uncapped super strong range?", you can't sell it easily.

I think you can have for principle you won't ever flat a 3bet but instead fold or cold 4bet. And then in position (not very usual) you minraise and out of position you do 2.6x or sthg like that.

Sounds good! Well explained. Thank you 😀 I should try calling 3 bets less and 4bet (or fold) more.

What about a scenario where fish opens 3bb and reg 3bets to 9bb and I am in position with a small pocketpair 55 for example. If I have seen the fish call 3bets OOP

Can I call in this spot trying to flop a set? If I hit I can win a big pot in case reg has a big hand and fish plays poorly against my set?

Or should I still rather 4bet or fold my pocket pair?

In my opinion 4bet or fold is a simple & efficient strategy, maybe there are scenarios as the one you describe where cold calling makes sense.

But initial fish opener can still 4bet and then you invested 9bb not even seeing a flop + you will miss the flop very often of the time + sometimes your set won't win anyway and then you lose all your stack because you won't fold a set in such a big pot.

All in all this I think there are surely other more fundamental areas of the game to improve before spending time on this.

Wise words! 😀

As per the advice to boost activity in this thread, I would advise you to cold 4bet preflop. You don't really need to have a cold calling range against these formations although its not the end of the world to do so in reality.

As played I'd likely just click then fold the flop to a 3bet jam or call flop call turn and fold to the river if he triples.