Hero call LAG with top pair on polarizing line?

I want to restart this debate because I showed this hand to a very good online player and he told me a different perspective on the river that I didn't consider: raise

Villain doesn't have AA, KK, AK, while I might have it and im checking the flop to balance my range.

Villain is unlikely to have 53s. He may have 85s and he is raising the turn, but I still think that is highly unlikely since he is a well versed pro and I don't expect him to call preflop with garbage

I don't think villain has 44 and is checking back the flop. 77 is a hand that makes sense. A7 also makes sense and A4 may have been played this way.

So what value hands does villain have in his range to make this overbet? 77, A7, maybe A4 and rarely 44

Villain is overbetting river showing huge strength, if I shove over the top the only hand that can call me is 77. Are you calling me down with A7 or A4 there?

Happy to hear your thoughts on raise bluffing to fold some random hands that may beat me but will not call a river shove

Really? Even the solver calls PF at least a third of the time with AK and maybe 10% of the time with KK.

You think villain is going to fold given the small raise we’d be putting in? Especially if he thinks we’ll have bluffs.

This combo also blocks one of the hands you’re hoping to fold out. So bad hand selection. Are you just gonna bluff everything here?

I think we can consider a 1.2p a normal sized bet IP as the previous street aggressor on a blank river, especially given the other hand.

Honestly feels like he’s letting you off easy. Betting just enough to have big bet vibes without actually risking too much of his stack. It also leaves an awkward amount behind which doesn’t seem value-y. He’s gonna leave half his stack back with his supposed set of 7s or whatever but also not leave enough money for you to be able rebluff on him?

Not adding up for me…

You are calling down with A4 or A7? Villain is overbetting and hero is coming over the top on the river for 1425 more, it is not a small raise. I would never even had considered bluffing if I hadn't had the conversation with my friend, so let's assume that I don't have a bluffing range and im only raising for value.

Would you really call me down with two pair that are not specifically AK, that this LAG villain definitely doesn't have in his range since he has been 3betting me light all the session? The only hand that might call me is 77. What hands do you put me in when I raise over the top? Not many regs are capable of raise bluffing over the top after an overbet on the river.

It’s a 1/3 PSR, 1425 more to win over 7k.

A7 hard blocks AA and 77, which are the only two hands I’m credibly believing are checking the flop, and I think it’s really hard to sell me on them flatting the turn much OOP with both flush draws and straight draws out there. I’m almost certain A7 is more of a call than AK. It doesn’t look like you rep much and if I’m villain I know you know it looks like *I* don’t rep much, so folding near top-of-range hands for that price is a hard pill to swallow. And we both have busted draws in our range so hero’s extra sus and villain’s range is extra sus if they start over folding to rebluffs.

It could depend on your image. There are players and populations where I’m confident enough that it’s never a bluff that I can fold regardless of pot odds (or rather where I know I should fold, but whether I personally actually do is another story). You say you’d never dream of it in game and villain is a good player so maybe he’s deduced that. But there’s too much of an FPS factor at T/25 live that even if bluffs don’t make a ton of sense, nuts don’t make a ton of sense either so Imma just click call and see what you’ve got, take my chances that I’m good 1 in 5 times.

Don’t get me wrong, I think a shove will get you the pot a decent amount of the time, I just think there’s no reason to do it with AJ both because of SDV and blocker effects. Just call and scoop and don’t sweat the leveling war.

Understood your point, thanks for the feedback. It might be FPS, that's why I wanted the opinion of the forum for shoving in this spot