Tough spot with KJs on small blind. Advice please

Pre can go either way. I think making it 50 is fine.

As played at spr under 3 I think you need to stack off. I would call flop and check call turn if it’s not a spade.

Will you 3 bet shove on the flop?

Yeah why not just stick it in now oop?

Squeeze I'd go 4x plus one per limp which I think is 60 as you add the SB

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It’s not the worst idea but I think you extract more from his range when you keep jn low equity bluffs.

At least $60 pre. Agree w/ Omaha and Spanish on the call.

The turn is 7, do you lead jam or check call?

Will you do differently on flop with KK or AK?

Turn 7 would basically be a brick for me and I'm lead-jamming since it blocks V's 77. A turn 7 also makes it more likely that he might have Kx and I'd rather blow him off potential chops and maybe get some fold equity too, since he would be hard-pressed to call with KQ.

KK: I'm probably betting 1/4 PSB. We would be blocking nearly all his value so he continues with FD, 44 and maybe a SD if he's a punter. A downbet here might look weak enough to get him to continue with more air.

AK: with the AsKx I'm probably checking flop. With other combos I'm betting 1/3 to 1/2 psb.

Since we only have 450 to start the hand, if we raise what we should pre which is around 65, it doesn't leave us with too much room to maneuver post flop with king high (which we should expect as an outcome most of the time) so I would just call pre.

As played I would fold to the small raise otf but that's just me. He was the first one to call our raise of 50 pre (kind of a big raise in 1/3), so I think the bottom of his range is KQ and I don't see him raising with smaller kings or even a FD while using that sizing. Looks like a value raise, not a raise trying to fold people out (our own range should contain AK since we raised to 50 from the SB pre) he probably has hockey sticks if I were to guess.

Sorry I'm a newbie, what do you mean by hockey sticks? You mean he has lots of variances?

I just realized that UTG is not the whale. Duh. I still go way bigger pre (or limp). Need more info on UTG. I'm leaning toward a fold now, but if UTG will do this with a worse K or a flush draw, then we can call or just gii now. Need reads.

I'm sorry hockey sticks is pocket 7's

Without the BDFD I'm probably folding KJ here to V's raise, so I agree it's close. If V called preflop getting IO of 9-1 with his 77, I think we have to tighten our preflop raising range. Obviously he can have it here I suppose.

Getting this price to call, I think we're supposed to call even if he has exactly 6s5s.

I agree that the raise size pre is a little small, if only because the whale is likely to call, bringing the CO and BTN with him. Ordinarily, I'd probably raise to $55, not $50, but with the whale in the game, I'd make it at least $60, if not $65 or even $70.

I don't see the point in c-betting the flop with top pair, 2nd kicker. We're not folding out much Kx or flush draws, and a lot of those hands will bet for us, so I prefer to go for a check-raise on the flop.

Hard to think UTG is raising with very many worse hands. He could have 77 or 44 for value, and I guess some draws, like 65 or nut spades, but I'd think those hands would mostly just call a 1/3 pot bet.

Not too many low stakes players are capable of raising as a bluff into multiple opponents. If he's at all aware of how the whale plays, I'd think he'd want to keep the whale in if he's just drawing to a nutted hand.

It sucks, but I think I just fold the flop here. Our hand is nowhere near strong enough to jam, and not really strong enough to think we'll be able to continue across most turns.

But, if we do call the flop, and the turn is another 7...I guess we're supposed to call if we check and he bets again, because V has less 7x in his range, but I'm still not loving it. Yeah, maybe he barrels with 65 and his flush draws, but I think he mostly just checks back when the board pairs, unless he was sandbagging with something that beats KJ pre, or just has the board locked up.

with the straddle on its easiest to think of the game as a 1 - 3 -6 game so 450 effective is sub 100BBs.

If i assume UTG is standard live casino regular who plays too many hands/sees too many flops/WTSD% waaaay too high then its a clear GII imo.

Its impossible for them to raise with top pair + FD so their strongest holdings are more likely 77, 44 , 56s, maybe we can give them some stuff that hit two pair and something like A2-A5ss.

That said I estimate we have about 31% equity against GII range vs villain so given bloated PF pot size I think this is a clear stack off unless there are specific reads about UTG such as "won't c/r raise in spots like this with anything less than a set" or something like that.

I'd advocate villain's range is wider so there are some hands that fold so conservatively lets say villain folds 15-20% of their range leaving the above range we have about 31% equity against - its still profitable to shove here.

Its close though but I dont see how peeling a turn benefits our hand per se and since pot would be 480 on the turn and the hands we get most value from are ones that would/could fold turns that benefit us. We dont have stack depth to apply pressure over multiple streets. And we effectively are playing with a sub 100BB stack flop top pair on a board where villain has a range that includes enough hands we are currently favorites against. Turns could shift enough such that no more money goes into the pot OR we are forced to check fold too often after calling.

The confusing thing with this hand post is that you describe the whale in HJ as if they're the main villain, whereas we don't get any read on UTG who is the player we need to know about

Against a typical player I am not thrilled to be putting in stacks with tp3k but the read could tilt this to a call or shove

the value of calling decreases as the ability of opponent increases UNLESS they are just complete spaz players who wont fold any piece of equity holding no matter how insignificant.

And its not SOLELY that the value of calling decreases in opposition to skill set - the above is also affected by the fact that too many cards will freeze our ability to extract value given SPR going into the turn if we just call. At that point we'll have put 200 into the pot, the SPR would be less than 1. Barring non flush K or J, most turn cards would only serve to diminish our perception of hand strength vs villain's perceived range and/or allow villain to realize equity with a broader amount of their range.

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ok i want to adjust my first statement but leaving it there for posterity:
a bad opponent will not think about SPR type stuff and so if K hits turn or whatever card would be a brick if we somehow knew their holding and we jam, they may not put another chip in the middle. so a bad player in situations that benefit us may impede our ability to extract more value on future street.

While i doubt the villain is "solid" by any means, I dont think its absurd to operate on assumption that the error being made would become one where our equity vs the range of hands they're raising with on the flop is value heavy, thereby reducing our actual equity in this spot as our estimations would have to shift.

Additionally, turns that benefit us most likely do NOT benefit them at all so any kind of "coolering" effect is less likely whereas our hand is more vulnerable to a turn card improving us but improving them more so.

What do the low stake reg player pool tend to do? Do they raise value more and just call draws?

You are spot on, he had KQo and tanked for 2 minutes after I jam as I wanted to represent AK as the preflop aggressor. Turn is a 7 river is another blank

Yes. I fold the flop knowing he is a reg and not a whale.