How do we play vs an Open and 3B

Without reads I assume we rely on our 4-bet range from the BB.

Also, just give the chip amounts in currency. Relaying the actions as a function of bb is confusing.

I would have said the players seem pretty solid from what I have seen so far. I would also think they assume im pretty solid too

It would depend on both players ranges if I knew them but in general I'm only thinking about playing if I have JJ, QQ, KK or AA readless. The UTG players range should be strong (AQ, AK, 99+) followed by a bigger than average 3bet from the CO so my range is gonna be premium hands pretty much unless I know both of them to be whales or button pressers.

My standard against a 3bb UTG open (9-handed) and a 8-12bb CO 3! would already be to play 4! or fold from the BB and to only 4! an extremely tight ~2% of the time.

Against 5bb->25bb from supposedly solid players, I think I’d have to fold QQ/AKo and with KK/AKs I would be forced to go on a Hellmuth style rant about how cruel it is to have something so gross happen to someone as handsome as me and that I’m the only person smart enough to even recognize how gross this spot is in the first place.

Forgot to answer your question on stack sizes: it has surprisingly little effect on what you should continue with.

Maybe some marginal differences between the exact composition of your extremely narrow range. If we were continuing with 2% of hands, then if we’re short enough to shove, then we just shove literally the top 2% of hands, whereas 100bbs deep we raise the top 1.25% of hands plus a small mix of JJ/maybe A5s type stuff, as you get deeper maybe that other 0.75% of hands is more a (very very small) mix of board coverage hands like SCs and like K6s or whatever.

The frequencies are so miniscule and so broadly mixed that it’s highly subject to the noise of imperfect sims.

(Consulted with Snowie on this one and my smart and handsomeness streak is unbroken)

I am generally always playing 4bet or fold. What your exact range is depends on position and who the villains are.

First off, a raise to 5bb and then a re raise to 5x that in position is a stupid huge sizing. Depending on the villain I might only 4bet or fold KK+ and AKs.

As you get later position, when the bet sizes are reasonable, and vs regs who have light 3bets that will fold to a 4bet, then you can really widen up. You might throw in JJ+ or Att+, AKo, AKs, and mix raising/folding with some hands like AQs, A5s, KQs, AJs, KJs.

Generally it is a fine strategy to never cold call a 3bet, especially out of position from the blinds. You are capping yourself and your hand becomes very face up. Like, if you cold call a 3bet with a hand like QQ or AK, then when you cold 4bet people might literally need to only continue with AA.

You could deviate from this, but I would only do this if there are insanely bad fishy players involved who you are deep with and you have reason to believe the original raiser is unlikely to 4bet themselves.