IQ (moved subtopic)

IQ (moved subtopic)

by d2_e4 k

^^Hey Luciom, can you remind me again how smart JD Vance is? Above, same, or below the average MAGA chode?

I have no problem with schools using affirmative action to help people like Vance with humble backgrounds.... but maybe not in law school where these idiots start becoming dangerous. And they got to find smarter people then Vance or the whole thing just looks ridiculous and all you're doing is de-valuing your own department.

06 September 2024 at 01:49 PM
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by d2_e4 k

FYP.

JFC. Am I behind rickroll in every metric? According to him, he also has had more causal sex than I have.


by Rococo k

JFC. Am I behind rickroll in every metric? According to him, he also has had more causal sex than I have.

I wouldn't worry about it, according to him, he has had more casual sex than Wilt Chamberlain.


by Rococo k

Does anyone disagree with the following statement:

IQ tests measure a specific type of cognitive performance. ( I would say that IQ tests measure analytic performance rather than creative performance, but I don't want to get bogged down in semantics.) Performance on IQ tests is partly related to at least the following four factors: (i) inherited traits (which, for ease of conversation, we can call "innate" ability); (ii) environmental factors; (iii) how the test subject is feeling and functio

That's vacuous enough that it's hard to disagree with....and you can replace IQ test with a host of other tests and it's still true. More than the others IQ tests try to maximize the importance if (i) and minimize the others. If someone had a much better way to do that besides IQ tests, we would use that instead. But nobody has found a way to do that.


by d2_e4 k

I wouldn't worry about it, according to him, he has had more casual sex than Wilt Chamberlain.

i am just a mere mortal, the more sex than roc was less about me and more that it'd be shocking to learn if roc didn't get married rather yound (and quite some time ago) and for bonus points probably married to his hs sweetheart - i have no other info beyond that he's married but it doesn't feel like i'm going out on a limb with that assumption (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)

the recency in which you've received a poor quality handjob is very relevant to the validity of one's opinions on dating culture imo so people who've been out of the game and married for a very long time are more often speaking from projection of values and virtue signaling than out of objective grasp of the reality of the situation

there's been quite a few threads where older and longtime married 2p2ers outright refuse to believe what the app scene is like these days despite that multiple single parties jump into the thread to confirm "no that's actually what it's like"

here's a video of the trials and tribulations of roc learning how to ask his future wife out on a first date


by Rococo k

You probably can't be a card carrying member of MENSA without taking an IQ test.

Then again, if you are the sort of asshat who wants to be in MENSA, you have bigger problems.

Lol my parents put me in Mensa the second the IQ test qualified me. Again, I was 12 and didn’t know really what it meant, but it sounded cool and Mensa would send tons of free logic and puzzle books that I loved.


Whoa, genius ITT. All this time that Sklansky has been spouting off about what he scored on some arithmetic test when he was 9, the real MENSA member has been hiding in plain sight all along.


I’m not a member anymore. You have to renew and as an adult I couldn’t be bothered to pay for it just for the puzzle books. When my parents were doing it, it was “free”!


cn, was mensa decent for networking and jobs boards? i could see a bunch of value in that


by d2_e4 k

Nobody has answered my question as to whether this score inflation is actually a real world problem. Are there a significant number of people out there preparing for IQ tests to artificially boost their score, and/or taking them multiple times? I would have to ask why, what's the benefit?

Depends what you mean by "prepare." Scores ARE inflated from where they were just a few decades ago. Again, if you re-normalize someone's 1960s test score, it goes down from 100 to 85. Genetics can't account for this; certainly we haven't evolved in two generations.

This may not be a problem for your framework for intelligence and what IQ tests measure. Maybe we're smarter because of less exposure to lead, advancement in education and information technologies, better nutrition, any number of things, and IQ tests are measuring how much smarter we are because of that.

It creates challenges for other hypotheses and uses of IQ test data. Lead exposure is correlated with poverty; so is malnourishment; educational attainment is reverse correlated; stressors are correlated; etc. So you can't easily say which way the causality goes: are people poor because they have low IQ or do they have test poorly on IQ because they're poor? (Just to take one example that keeps coming up.)

If you compare across societies, languages, etc, the comparisons become more strained.

(All of this to say nothing of the rise of "test prep" both because of aptitude tests like SATs but also, at least in the US, the passing of No Child Left Behind. This creates enormous financial incentives for schools to gear education toward improving test-taking abilities. You could see this as like accidental IQ test preparation, if you will.)


by smartDFS k

a study of swedish military men taking something other than an IQ test. bravo

It's amazing how much time you can save in these arguments about IQ tests by asking "Does this study even use IQ tests as its basis" and disregarding it if the answer is no.

The entire book The Bell Curve could be tossed out on this basis alone.


by Rococo k

Does anyone disagree with the following statement:

IQ tests measure a specific type of cognitive performance. ( I would say that IQ tests measure analytic performance rather than creative performance, but I don't want to get bogged down in semantics.) Performance on IQ tests is partly related to at least the following four factors: (i) inherited traits (which, for ease of conversation, we can call "innate" ability); (ii) environmental factors; (iii) how the test subject is feeling and functio

I'd add a 5th which I dont think is the same as (iii) and when doing maths, logic etc is huge: Belief.

Obviously related to ability but so many people who have the capacity to do well at maths/logic/etc do terribly because they are convinced they 'can't do maths' or similar.

Anothr huge one is:
(vi) Motivation.


by d2_e4 k

Quite honestly, I wouldn't personally call someone "dumb" if they were able to prepare and score well on an IQ test. The sort of person I am calling "dumb" would not be scoring well on an IQ test regardless of preparation.

"Smart" is a different matter. A person would probably need to do a bit more than present an IQ score for me to consider them "smart".

Indeed. You wouldn't want me to be allowed to vote just because I could handle an IQ test


by chezlaw k

I'd add a 5th which I dont think is the same as (iii) and when doing maths, logic etc is huge: Belief.

Obviously related to ability but so many people who have the capacity to do well at maths/logic/etc do terribly because they are convinced they 'can't do maths' or similar.

People who are good at logic fail logic test due to thinking illogically. ****ing inspired, chez. Did you spend the last 4 hours thinking up the stupidest possible thing you could post perchance?


You're wrong.

Over confidence is also a problem but so many people can be transformed in their abilities once they overcome an emotional state, not a logic error, that is often the result of poor teaching when young


by chezlaw k

Indeed. You wouldn't want me to be allowed to vote just because I could handle an IQ test

depends on how recent your last handjob was


by chezlaw k

Indeed. You wouldn't want me to be allowed to vote just because I could handle an IQ test

I'm sure with extensive preparation you can eke out an 85. Better get cracking.


by rickroll k

depends on how recent your last handjob was

You seem to be having some sort of fixation. Perhaps you could give chez some manual encouragement on his big test day for that extra pep in his step.


oh i'm getting the handjob?

as I said (vi) motivation


by d2_e4 k

You seem to be having some sort of fixation. Perhaps you could give chez some manual encouragement on his big test day for that extra pep in his step.

if it's not an organic experience then the experience will not help him gain perspective

by chezlaw k

oh i'm getting the handjob?

as I said (vi) motivation

you should try it, would be a nice role reversal i imagine 😀


by rickroll k

cn, was mensa decent for networking and jobs boards? i could see a bunch of value in that

I never tried. As a young adult I told some people that I intended to use it for that, and I got laughed out of the convo. I think as a young person I felt there was some prestige in it, but I don’t share that sentiment now.


by Crossnerd k

I’m not a member anymore. You have to renew and as an adult I couldn’t be bothered to pay for it just for the puzzle books. When my parents were doing it, it was “free”!

Now do taxes and Kamala giving stuff for "free", it's the SAME!!!! you are so close


No politarding in the IQ thread.


by Rococo k

Does anyone disagree with the following statement:

IQ tests measure a specific type of cognitive performance. ( I would say that IQ tests measure analytic performance rather than creative performance, but I don't want to get bogged down in semantics.) Performance on IQ tests is partly related to at least the following four factors: (i) inherited traits (which, for ease of conversation, we can call "innate" ability); (ii) environmental factors; (iii) how the test subject is feeling and functio

I think "environmental factors" kind of covers everything outside of "innate ability" (including iii and iv in your list), so I don't know if that's quite how I'd break it down.

Probably the important buckets for me are that they measure:

(I): Intelligence, which has the factors of:

(A) Genetic:

(B) Environmental, which could be further broken down into:

(1) Temporal environmental factors, eg:
- Caffeine, adderall, etc
- Stress
- Sleep
- Distractions
- That day's nutrition

(2) Pervasive environmental factors, which can be even further broken down into:

(a) Social factors, eg:
- Technological advancements
- Educational quality

(b) Individual factors, eg:
- Lead exposure
- Natal nourishment
- Educational attainment

(II): Personal abilities other than intelligence, eg:
- Test taking ability
- Fluency in the language administered
- Capacity for attention in a classroom setting

(III) Statistical, ie:
- Where someone falls in a normalized distribution of the contemporary test-taking population for that age

Something like that would be helpful for me to understand what factors are being picked up by tests in given contexts. They also serve as things you'd strive to control for to try to get a purer measure of comparing two subject's intelligence (though not necessarily to ascertain what someone's intelligence is in a vacuum, divorced from that one particular comparison you can make.)


ra -wtf is your avatar?


by rickroll k

ra -wtf is your avatar?

I'm getting so old, my poker memes are outdated even to people with 25,000 posts :'(

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