2024 Presidential Debate 2 Electric Boogaloo
Starting off to a great start where first question is not answered and ignored and they just go straight into talking points
again, this is your bias speaking
not once in my life have i voted for a republican candidate
Yes, I have a bias Rick... a bias towards truth. Point out one thing I've said that isn't true.
You pretending to be unbiased and objective so you can be above everyone else isn't helpful to the convo. If there's one thing I learned from the 3rd Reich tours I took in Berlin last year, is that fascism crept in because WAY too many people didn't want to call out or accuse their neighbors of what they were doing. They were bending over backwards to be too kind to people who literally shot them in the back later.
Don't be one of those peeps Rick.
look, i repeatedly come off here as a conservative because when someone like lozen or bahbah posts nonsense a dozen people jump in and attack it before i even see the post
when you guys do the same exact thing it gets +1'd
i've said repeatedly that trump in objectively 10x worse
but that doesn't mean harris is then being honest
you guys treat this like a binary world where one candidate must be good and honest and the other is evil and a liar
it's like none of you have ever graduated beyond children'
Nononono .
Harris do not lie more then other politicians …..while trump is 10x like u admit and know , that is the point .
We put Harris in a “normal” range of what politicians are and actually do …..
While trump isn’t , that’s all .
And u can see it in lies, number of convictions, ,etc…
And to counter your strawmen on your last point , I think all here , especially after trump shooting , said here -> well it’s done deal , trump will wins 2024 and when Biden quit and Harris seem like take over on day 1 .
No one thought democrats had a chance to win ….
Don’t conflict being happy for Harris because of Harris herself with Harris being awesome because she’s doing better then trump .
Haha great argument! "Ya she lied last night, but Trump is the biggest lier!!" Nothin Harris said last night was enough to overcome the last 4 years, as much as she tried to separate herself from Biden, voters know.
It’s just math buddy .
Try turn math into political issue and I I wish you good luck with it !
The usual concept of equating 1 = 10 is what’s laughable…
Kamala: I grew up middle class
Trump supporters: Uhhhh ackshually she was UPPER middle class, that’s a lie
again, it's easier for you to falsely paint me as a trump supporter here than to get to the heart of the issue
she repeatedly said that with the entire notion of it being that she was a woman of the people and just another member of the hoi polloi
she absolutely was not and grew up in a very privileged environment where she started off better than 98% of the country
i'm only calling her upper middle class because upper class is the top 1%
this is how people imagine american society
this is the reality
average salary for a stanford professor is over 200k a year, average salary for a research biologist is over 80k a year (that feels really low, i'm assuming that's including a lot of lab assistants)
he parents indoubtebly were in the top 1% for earners - they were still not upper crust inherits 400 million like trump but it's patently dishonest for her to paint herself as a woman of the people
we culturally view the middle class as a bell curve where the overwhelming majority of amerians are all lumped together all earning that median income more or less and she's taking advantage of that notion to try to plant herself right in the middle when she's top 2% most privileged at worst
if you guys were actually liberals and cared about having a real democracy and not some plutocracy, which is what we have, then you'd start calling it out when you see it
our government is by and large a government of very wealthy people making sure that very wealthy people continue to wind up on top
it's a corrupt and broken system and going along with the lie that kamala is just a regular middle class person just perpetuates it
trump is being correctly roasted left and right for exaggerating 5 million (or whatever the real estimated number is) into 21 million
kamala painted herself as middle 50% repeatedly and she's from the top 1-2% which is a far greater exaggeration than trumps
just pure copium in the thread
they both lie and they both suck, which is why i'm voting for jill stein as a protest vote
again, when i'm talking about upper class i'm talking about at the very least 2nd wealth type stuff
kamala absolutely does not belong in that group, but she's not a typical "children of immigrants" but a child of immigrants who were brought over for their advanced degrees and knowledge and had very high paying jobs
again, it's easier for you to falsely paint me as a trump supporter here than to get to the heart of the issue
she repeatedly said that with the entire notion of it being that she was a woman of the people and just another member of the hoi polloi
she absolutely was not and grew up in a very privileged environment where she started off better than 98% of the country
i'm only calling her upper middle class because upper class is the top 1%
this is how people imagine american society
this is the real
Well I guess we found the issue :
The upper middle class is often defined as the top 15% to 20% of earners. According to the Social Security Administration’s 2022 wage data, the average upper-middle-class income was roughly between $80,000 and $100,000.
https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint....
Your 1% upper class representation is pretty bad .
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/income-fa...
The U.S. Census Bureau, splits income data into quintiles, which are commonly labeled as different social classes. For the purposes of this article, those with an income in the bottom 20 percentile will be identified as lower class, followed by lower-middle class (up to 40th percentile), middle class (up to 60th percentile), upper-middle class (up to 80th percentile) with the remainder considered upper class.
Anyway moving on ,
You know she’s over 60 years old so I doubt 50 years ago it was those salaries for teachers ….
And in the last 50 years , the economy and ranking of jobs drastically changed .
I’m not sure teachers were that much high 50 years ago when the economy was more about manufacturing then services .
But I could be wrong shrug .
again, it's easier for you to falsely paint me as a trump supporter here than to get to the heart of the issue
Among the reasons it's easy to correctly peg you as a Trumpista is that you somehow think any of this is an equivalent to Trump's unprecedented barrage of some of the wildest lies in modern politics, which induced post-birth abortions, transgender ops on illegal alien prisoners, and gangs of Haitian migrants eating household pets.
but kopala changed her position on fracking over 4 years so same thing
trump is being correctly roasted left and right for exaggerating 5 million (or whatever the real estimated number is) into 21 million
kamala painted herself as middle 50% repeatedly and she's from the top 1-2% which is a far greater exaggeration than trumps
just pure copium in the thread
they both lie and they both suck, which is why i'm voting for jill stein as a protest vote
When she grow up or where she is presently ?
trump is being correctly roasted left and right for exaggerating 5 million (or whatever the real estimated number is) into 21 million
kamala painted herself as middle 50% repeatedly and she's from the top 1-2% which is a far greater exaggeration than trumps
just pure copium in the thread
they both lie and they both suck, which is why i'm voting for jill stein as a protest vote
Respectfully, your reasoning skills need some sharpening. Trump didn't exaggerate... he lied... countless times. Kamala did primarily grow up middle class.
And chatgpt says:
Although she was born in Oakland, California, most of Harris’s early childhood was spent in a nondescript duplex apartment located above a day care facility in an area of West Berkeley known as the flatlands (her parents met as graduate students at UC Berkeley). Reports state that efforts to landmark the duplex fell through because neighbors believed the attention and traffic coming into the area would disturb their way of life. During her early teen years, Harris relocated to Montreal when her mother accepted a research and teaching position. Harris lived there until she moved to Washington, DC, to attend Howard University.
In 1970, women earned significantly less than men. On average, women made about 59 cents for every dollar earned by men, meaning they earned roughly 41% less. This gender pay gap was prevalent across most sectors, reflecting widespread gender-based wage discrimination and the lower value placed on jobs predominantly held by women.
Sources:
U.S. Census Bureau data
National Women's Law Center reports
Is growing up in a duplex apartment to you mean upper middle class?
But vote for a Kremlin stooge.
again, it's easier for you to falsely paint me as a trump supporter here than to get to the heart of the issue
she repeatedly said that with the entire notion of it being that she was a woman of the people and just another member of the hoi polloi
she absolutely was not and grew up in a very privileged environment where she started off better than 98% of the country
i'm only calling her upper middle class because upper class is the top 1%
this is how people imagine american society
this is the real
Doesn’t matter if you’re a trump supporter or not, you’re doing the trump supporter epistemology.
Also lol @ taking the 2020 numbers and grafting them backwards. I’m sure you’ll find that’s a horrible way or comparing salaries cross time periods.
Look at what's happening in this thread and all over social media. Conservatives are scrambling, desperately, to try and create a false equivalency. That's how it all works. This is what they do to justify how they function.
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We know Trump lies all the time, but so does Kamala.
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No. Don't fall for it. Of course, Kamala lies. Everyone lies... but what you're lying about and how it impacts your world MATTERS.
the amount of copium here is wild
i'm sorry guys, i've been corrected, kamala is the perfect candidate who grew up with the same struggles as everyone else and never lies or exaggerates about anything whatsoever, it's too bad we can't also make her president of the world as well
the amount of copium here is wild
i'm sorry guys, i've been corrected, kamala is the perfect candidate who grew up with the same struggles as everyone else and never lies or exaggerates about anything whatsoever, it's too bad we can't also make her president of the world as well
For a person who spends a lot of time lecturing people about fairness and objectivity, you seem to struggle w/ nuance and swing wildly to opposites.
Nobody is saying she's the perfect candidate. Nobody is saying she doesn't lie. But she did grow up middle class. You can google the duplex she grew up in.
If this is too difficult for you to figure out... just ask yourself this...
Who is more likely to understand the struggles of buying new clothes?
Trump... who grew up w/ a silver spoon in his mouth...
or, an educated immigrant family, and single mom who lived in a duplex apartment?
If you can't figure it out... just move on then.
the amount of copium here is wild
i'm sorry guys, i've been corrected, kamala is the perfect candidate who grew up with the same struggles as everyone else and never lies or exaggerates about anything whatsoever, it's too bad we can't also make her president of the world as well
yeah the amount of copium here is wild for sure
yup she's a perfect candidate who told zero lies, thanks guys for educating me
She seems like a solid candidate to me. I'm not one for watching debates and political speeches, but none of the MAGA and conservative talking points regarding her traits seem true.
Of course, in a saner world Trump wouldn't be the Republican candidate, so the choice wouldn't be between the potential slide towards the end to the Republic and a normal candidate.
Should the former scenario play out, we know one thing from the last 8 years, and that is that neither the GOP or conservatives are going to stop said slide.
trump is being correctly roasted left and right for exaggerating 5 million (or whatever the real estimated number is) into 21 million
kamala painted herself as middle 50% repeatedly and she's from the top 1-2% which is a far greater exaggeration than trumps
just pure copium in the thread
they both lie and they both suck, which is why i'm voting for jill stein as a protest vote
FWIW I went read Harris childhood on wiki , growing with divorce parents traveling in cities didn’t seem all that great as you seem to imply .
Respectfully, your reasoning skills need some sharpening. Trump didn't exaggerate... he lied... countless times. Kamala did primarily grow up middle class.
And chatgpt says:
Although she was born in Oakland, California, most of Harris’s early childhood was spent in a nondescript duplex apartment located above a day care facility in an area of West Berkeley known as the flatlands (her parents met as graduate students at UC Berkeley). Reports state that efforts to landmark the duplex fell through b
Well I can definitely confirm you she wasn’t in the top 1-2% earner if her mother was a teacher here in the 70s lol .
That is regardless of her position , guaranteed !
Last night she was talking about guns of which she is an owner.
The buyback quote is about assault rifles. Which in theory would be a good thing and is what they did in Australia in 1996 (
) and New Zealand in 2019 () and it reduced mass murders in Australia since 1996. Not sure what happened in New Zealand since 2019 but the article says that gun related crimes increased in 2020 (but they don't mention Covid...)
Kamala is not going to ban guns or try to run around the 2nd Amendment. If possible though I think she would ban assault rifles which would likely reduce the number of mass shooting deaths in the US. In the 1990's when the 10 year ban went into effect the number of gun deaths in mass shootings did decrease over that 10 year period.
more strawmen, i've literally quote responded to one
Why lie about the number then? Is he just incapable of telling the truth? Is that really what we want in a president?
this deeply implies that everything kamala said herself was factual
if you guys were actual liberals instead of just cheerleaders you'd want your own candidates to be accountable as well
trump is beyond redemption, there's nothing about him whatsoever that would ever convince me in a million years to support him, but that doesn't mean i just automatically start claiming everything else is roses for the alternative
this is precisely why the majority of the country doesn't vote - it only feels like i'm outnumbered here because most people who hold my opinion have no interest in discussing it amongst ideologues
but sure, keep on raging on the conservatives here without a single shred of awareness you guys magically hand wave away all the same flaws in your own horse
jill stein 2024
more strawmen, i've literally quote responded to one
this deeply implies that everything kamala said herself was factual
if you guys were actual liberals instead of just cheerleaders you'd want your own candidates to be accountable as well
trump is beyond redemption, there's nothing about him whatsoever that would ever convince me in a million years to support him, but that doesn't mean i just automatically start claiming everything else is roses for the alternative
this is precisely why the majorit
Except, nobody is saying Kamala doesn't have her flaws. You just continuing to say the same thing, doesn't make it true.
Please at least say you're not in a swing state.
Adults decide between the lesser of the evils Rick. If you can't figure out which one didn't try and commit a literal coup, and has convinced their followers that there's a deep state, that can only be fixed by overthrowing the government, you're not using much reasoning. Literally, the PRIMARY objective of conservatives is to convince people like yourself that there's no difference between the two parties. And you fell for it.
This is the time to protest vote... w/ fascism knocking on your doorstep. Smart.
If jill stein was ever a serious possibility for president, i guarantee a ton of stuff about her would surface. Its the nature of the beast
