KK in position 1-3
Effective stack 280. 9 handed
Hero: KK in UTG+3.
Fold, fold, UTG+2 calls.
Hero: raises to 20
Folds to small blind who calls, UTG+2 calls.
Flop: Ks, 10s, 6s.
Sb: checks, utg+2 checks, Hero: bets 25, call call.
Turn: 5c.
Check, check, hero: bets 40, sb: calls, utg+2 raises to 140.
Hero:?
I am thinking that the biggest likelihood here is that I am probably up against a flush. There is the possibility of 2 pair or a set however I think that most of the time one of them has a flush here. I am thinking if I just call the raise the SB may also call and come along giving me better pot odds to hit the boat.
Would you have checked the flop or bet bigger on the flop?
Would you jam or fold or call to the check raise on the turn?
You are getting 4-1 direct odds to improve. You can't fold unless the dealer fumbles the stub and there's no K's T's or 6's remaining in the deck.
The player to your direct right limp-called PF, and just overcalled the sb's push with you still left to act. Consequently, I can't believe KK is good here anywhere close to 15% of the time. In fact. I'm assuming UTG+2 had the nut flush.
I know it’s been a while, I just called the check raise as I thought it was somewhat likely that the sb would call giving me much better pot odds to draw to the boat.
Hero: calls
Sb: calls
River: 2c
Sb: All in
Utg+2: all in
Hero:?
I have 95 dollars left in my stack, the pot that I can win is now 745.
I am now getting almost 8:1 on my money to call, it’s hard to quantify if I would be good in this scenario 1 out of 8 times but I surely know that there is a high likelihood I’m not going to be good here.
This is a "hate myself" decision, the way we got here. You're going to hate yourself for calling and seeing that you're beat. You're going to hate yourself for folding and seeing that you should have folded turn (not saying I think you should have, but that's how you're going to feel).
There's always some chance at 1/3 that both have worse, but I don't know if it happens 1 in 8 times.
Don't beat yourself up. You raised pre with the best hand, got two callers, and got unlucky with the flop. I don't think you could have done very much too differently here, to arrive at a different result.
MAYBE if you check back the turn, you can get away from your hand on the river, but even in that scenario, it would be hard, specifically because our check-back looks weak and is likely to induce bluffs, or even value bets from worse hands.
The more posts I read in these types of hands, the more I’m convinced the best line with the nfd vs good players is to call flop and raise turn.
Also, this is usually a flush. Flush draws prefer to raise flop with more equity.
The more posts I read in these types of hands, the more I’m convinced the best line with the nfd vs good players is to call flop and raise turn.
Also, this is usually a flush. Flush draws prefer to raise flop with more equity.
I'm confused. Are you saying the NFD should be raised on the flop, or should wait until the turn? Or is it dependent on the skill of our opponents?
I know it’s been a while, I just called the check raise as I thought it was somewhat likely that the sb would call giving me much better pot odds to draw to the boat.
Hero: calls
Sb: calls
River: 2c
Sb: All in
Utg+2: all in
Hero:?
I have 95 dollars left in my stack, the pot that I can win is now 745.
I am now getting almost 8:1 on my money to call, it’s hard to quantify if I would be good in this scenario 1 out of 8 times but I surely know that there is a high likelihood I’m not goin
I just don't see how we are ever good here, but I'm pretty sure I never find the fold live in real time.
BTW - you haven't mentioned 2 villain's effective stack sizes here or is the same as yours? Because if they are much larger than yours, it makes it even more likely they have the flush.
I just don't see how we are ever good here, but I'm pretty sure I never find the fold live in real time.
BTW - you haven't mentioned 2 villain's effective stack sizes here or is the same as yours? Because if they are much larger than yours, it makes it even more likely they have the flush.
They were larger than mine.
I think I can give the reveal, given the pot odds I made the call knowing I’m almost certainly not good.
Sb: had a set of flopped 6s.
Utg+2: had 9 3 of spades for the flopped flush.
They were larger than mine.
I think I can give the reveal, given the pot odds I made the call knowing I’m almost certainly not good.
Sb: had a set of flopped 6s.
Utg+2: had 9 3 of spades for the flopped flush.
Not that I think low flushes are always folding if we jam turn, but if there's a non zero percent chance of folding out a weak flush, and we're never folding, that's why I prefer to just jam.
You're gonna want to lay down in traffic if you flat call, the river rolls off another spade, and V had some offsuit hand that would have folded to your jam.
Not that I think low flushes are always folding if we jam turn, but if there's a non zero percent chance of folding out a weak flush, and we're never folding, that's why I prefer to just jam.
You're gonna want to lay down in traffic if you flat call, the river rolls off another spade, and V had some offsuit hand that would have folded to your jam.
I don’t think I had any real fold equity with utg+2, I believed that he had already likely hit the flush with the check raise on the turn. The issue with shoving is that I might have pushed the sb out of the hand doing that, I wanted him to put the money in just in case I hit the boat on the river.
I don’t think I had any real fold equity with utg+2, I believed that he had already likely hit the flush with the check raise on the turn. The issue with shoving is that I might have pushed the sb out of the hand doing that, I wanted him to put the money in just in case I hit the boat on the river.
Maybe. Sometimes random weird a$$ stuff happens multi-way. Last night I somehow got involved in a three way all in pot, pre flop, with 22. Don't ask me how. It all happened so fast.
