Moderation Questions

Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.

This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.

Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.

Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.

So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.

Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.

So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.

We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.

Thanks.

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by PointlessWords k

Bro the US is getting better. I know you hate nato and all that but they often do good around the world

If you wanna talk **** about the US and help Americans, criticize the prison system that’s funding corporate profits via forced labor.

I mean there’s a lot of things that the US does great. Yeah we kill brown people. I guess that’s big deal that most Americans minimize.

Ok we do suck. But it’s not all bad. We do a lot of good as well. We protect a lot of countries from c

I just watched Joey Chestnut eat 83 hotdogs. How proud are Americans of Uncle Joey?


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Sometimes the moderation here leaves you scratching your head.

I got a warning for a post I made that referred to another poster in my reply to him as one of the "non-travelling people". Crossnerd's PM said "please avoid personal remarks towards him as I know there is longstanding beef between you two". The poster in question has made it public that he's had me on ignore for a long time and my post wasn't quoted by anyone so I didn't see how any offence could be caused.

After getting the warning I removed any references to him and reposted it, and this apparently was sufficient for a one day ban?

I object strongly to being told who I can and cannot reply to here. That is not one of the duties of moderators as I understand it, and this heavy-handed authoritarianism is beyond absurd.

tl;dr

Mod: Don't make any references to this particular poster. We've deleted your post.

Me: Removes the reference to this particular poster and reposts.

Mod: You're banned!


Please let us know of your progress and if you have fully recovered from your 24 hour ban.


whoosh


So that is a no on the full recovery, Karen?



without looking, i'm pretty sure those are just some whiny low calorie insults he made to you because that's literally all he does here - it's astounding he hasn't ever received a perma-ban while you gain 24 bans for posting your post minus the insults


Your assumption is right. How does he get away with this?


by jalfrezi k

Your assumption is right. How does he get away with this?

Dunno but he was allowed to insult me as well plenty of times without repercussions, like trollson


note for the mods - luciom, me, & jalfrezi regularly disagree and argue with each other - this is not a conspiracy of friends working against that troll

just check out his body of work, it's all he does and he always does it just so gently as to to avoid getting infracted but we all know what he's doing


my reading comprehension isn't what it used to be, rr. I thought rr was talking about you.....


i do suck at writing so strong chance i illustrated it poorly but they were all on the same page despite that since we're so familiar with jj's body of work


this was all in the election thread but i humbly propose mods not ban people for speculating that haitian immigrants are eating cats/dogs. if people have specious or poorly-sourced arguments i think they should live in posterity so we can all point at them and say "see how wrong you were?"

i think banning unfavorable viewpoints risks hardening the posters' views and those who are sympathetic to them


I will moderate racist “viewpoints”. I explained why in that thread.


I'm pretty sure some white people have eaten some dogs before fwiw


by smartDFS k

this was all in the election thread but i humbly propose mods not ban people for speculating that haitian immigrants are eating cats/dogs. if people have specious or poorly-sourced arguments i think they should live in posterity so we can all point at them and say "see how wrong you were?"

i think banning unfavorable viewpoints risks hardening the posters' views and those who are sympathetic to them

The problem isn't hardening views, it's that as soon as there is one documented case of some immigrant eating a cat you're going to look silly. It's a setup for failure.


by Crossnerd k

I will moderate racist “viewpoints”. I explained why in that thread.

ok but can you explain why you think it's racist to claim the topic is relevant for the election? people are discussing it a lot in social media.

Obama birtherism was a made up narrative but it was discussed a lot as well


The topic is racist, period.


by Crossnerd k

The topic is racist, period.

one might say you live in a prison of your own mind, projecting walls where they don't exist for fear of disrupting the invisible social fabric that is collapsing in on itself.

not me, per se, but one


Every tyrant initially self identifies as a good person.


i read betraisefold22 got perma banned, what did he do? maybe there is a post ITT that mentions it but in that case i missed it


by Luciom k

i read betraisefold22 got perma banned, what did he do? maybe there is a post ITT that mentions it but in that case i missed it

He was perma’d outside this forum, not by us.

According to notes he was on like his 7th permabanned account. Kinda like PointlessWords…


by Luckbox Inc k

The problem isn't hardening views, it's that as soon as there is one documented case of some immigrant eating a cat you're going to look silly. It's a setup for failure.

I'm pretty sure some white people have eaten some dogs before fwiw

I agree with you 100% and I made similar points in the election thread. Even if the right wing found one credible account of a Haitian immigrant eating a pet, it wouldn't prove anything and it wouldn't justify whipping up sentiment against Haitian immigrants.

And to your point, of course you can find examples of white people eating dogs. Here is a story about a white guy getting convicted for eating a dog:

https://www.mytwintiers.com/crime/delawa...

Am I concerned that there is a widespread problem with white people eating dogs in upstate New York? I am not.


Just a friendly reminder that I am happy to help moderate this forum and take the slings and arrows directed by people displaying petulant rage

Just saying


Curious as to who PW was in his prior incarnations, did his previously banned accounts post on this forum?

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