QQ facing a draw heavy board
In a live cash game of no limit Texas Hold'em, 4 handed, I am in UTG with a stack of 6270 holding a hand of QQ. the blinds are 10/20.
I raised to 50, player in dealer seat raised to 100, SB and BB call. I reraised to 170. Dealer folded. SB and BB called. SB was deeper in stack than me.
Flop: 9TJ rainbow
SB bet 500 which is full pot.
BB folded, I called.
Pot: 1500
Turn: 9
SB bet 2000. I hesitated over whether I should just call or push shove. I decided to just call.
Pot:5500
River: 8
SB checked. Hero??
7 Replies
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Definitely raise bigger on the 4-bet. A near minimum bet after SB cold called the BTN's 3-bet is way too small.
Why are you considering a shove on the turn with an overpair and one-line straight draw on a board that has Full House possibilities? What worse do you think will call? What better might fold? It's closer to a fold than a shove, imo.
I won't comment on river, as I saw results.
Definitely raise bigger on the 4-bet. A near minimum bet after SB cold called the BTN's 3-bet is way too small.
Why are you considering a shove on the turn with an overpair and one-line straight draw on a board that has Full House possibilities? What worse do you think will call? What better might fold? It's closer to a fold than a shove, imo.
I won't comment on river, as I saw results.
Indeed, in retrospect it was a mistake not to raise bigger preflop.
SB is a player who bluffs a lot. So in this case, I suspect that he was bluffing too, especially considering the full pot bet at the flop. But I might be wrong, because that was quite a polarized bet size.
Preflop action is confusing. It went raise, 3b, 2 cold calls, you 4b and all 3 called?
Raise much bigger pre. If btn makes it 100 and both blinds call I would make it 500 to 600.
River is close. Not sure what worse can call you after such a polarizing line. Maybe he has 78 and feels committed? I assume that boats and QK would jam, so I guess we should jam and hope he finds something to hero with.
If there are cold calls from SB and BB then you need to 4bet much larger. 400 at a minimum but I wouldn't squeak at 500.
I agree with Garick that turn is closer to a fold than a shove. You're beating QJ, you're now ahead of JT (does that overbet turn though?) and there aren't many other hands which play this way.
River you would be targetting 9x and I don't see many 9x leading flop like that except for 98 and far less likely Q9. Are we really expecting JT to call a bet? 87? Does 87 even cold call a 3bet preflop?
Or are you going the other way and think you can push him off QJ or similar?
If you thought he was bluffing turn and that those bluffs are still air after the river card then of course it's a check.
It seems like a check in any case. Of course if you check back and get shown a slightly weaker hand, or a slightly stronger hand, then you'll kick yourself. But there are many hidden dangers out there.
so what happened was, Hero shoved all-in, and SB folded. SB was holding 87s.
later I discussed this hand with him. He said that he noticed my hesitation at the Turn, and pinned down my hand to be QJ, QT. He even made the suggestion that instead of jamming the river, I should make a small bet to induce him to bet big.
Yeah, you are leaving a ton of value on the table with your small sizing pre, if you are playing against someone who cold calls a 3-bet in the worst possible position with 87s. Of course, in a 4-handed game this deep, I can't even hate that decision.
I would not want to induce on the river, as if he does raise you're puking with all the FHs out there, and the possibility of KQ as well (though you block many of those combos).
In an aggressive 10/20 game things may be different, but as a default trying to induce a check-raise bluff on the river is playing with fire.
