2024 ELECTION THREAD
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fyi i'm aware that i'm probably on ignore and your inbox is not full, but it's kind of cowardly to send what you sent and make the accusations you did (vague accusations of colluding with luciom against you for unstated reasons or goals is just lol tinfoil hat stuff) and then peace out - especially when i was not messaging you with insults nor malice and even specifically wrote what i did over pm and insisted on keeping it on pm for your benefit not mine
this is what liberals do when their world view gets thoroughly destroyed by even the slightest pushback. consider it a badge of success.
its even funnier that he sent you some bullshit PM and then put you on ignore. just the perfect encapsulation of liberal cowardice.
Newsweek: More Than Half of Trump Voters Believe Haitians Are Eating Pets: Poll
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But not a cult
The Hill: Trump sounds reversal on SALT deduction cap
Former President Trump sounded an about-face Tuesday on the controversial tax policy known as the SALT deduction cap, breaking from a major provision in his signature piece of domestic policy.
“I will turn it around, get SALT back, lower your Taxes, and so much more. I’ll work with the Democrat Governor and Mayor, and make sure the funding is there,” he wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social, on Tuesday afternoon.
Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/48...
He pushed for the SALT cap to punish blue states who didn't vote for him. Oops.
this is what liberals do when their world view gets thoroughly destroyed by even the slightest pushback. consider it a badge of success.
its even funnier that he sent you some bullshit PM and then put you on ignore. just the perfect encapsulation of liberal cowardice.
i wouldn't say it's exclusive to liberals
funniest part is if i was "out to get him" then i could have just remained silent, let him post our dms here and then watch as he gets a permaban for doing that since it's a major breach they take very seriously
especially since he does marketing and customer service of his software through this website
so the idea that i was out to get him is just lolcats
again just ignoring the facts, moving goal posts to fringe conspiracy theories and trying to pick on outliers like when you ignored that we lead the world in bridge collapses and are basically the only place on earth without high speed rail but because we cleaned up LA Bay then we're good at infractructure
you're never wrong, you're never able to walk back anything
Not my fight but do you think the US democracy for the people in general or favouring the highest earners ?
More so when u compare to other democracies.
The Hill: Trump sounds reversal on SALT deduction cap
Former President Trump sounded an about-face Tuesday on the controversial tax policy known as the SALT deduction cap, breaking from a major provision in his signature piece of domestic policy.
“I will turn it around, get SALT back, lower your Taxes, and so much more. I’ll work with the Democrat Governor and Mayor, and make sure the funding is there,” he wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social, on Tuesday afternoon.
Source:
this is so cringe
first of all, SALT or various iterations of it date back to Lincoln, it was already in existence, what he did was put a 10k cap on that deduction which which brought in 94 billion dollars of additional tax revenue
this is not a way to "punish the blue states" but rather deeply in line with democrat party values of having the wealthy pay their share instead of finding various loopholes such as SALT in order to avoid paying less in taxes
lawsuits to repeal this act (coming from the wealthiest states) were all heard and lost - the cases were heard by the supreme court in 2022
under biden, some democrats in NY wanted to repeal it (because the people cutting them their checks kept saying "I want my deductions back" where they wanted to bring the deduction max from Trump's 10k to 80k - now idk about you, but last i checked, someone who is in a position to personally deduct 80k in taxes is an extremely wealthy person - so this flies directly in the face of democratic party values - because again, they aren't really about that it's just rhetoric - at the end of the day they're going to take a loophole used by billionaires to avoid paying their share and instead frame it as an evil thing committed by trump to punish the blue states
the blue states are not being "punished" the wealthy people are losing their bs tax deduction. I think we can all agree that they should be paying their fair share and they currently are not
bernie sanders is a genuine OG who recognizes this as bs
here is his statement on it
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-rel...
look at that man of the people go
but alas, it was done by trump, so therefore must be evil, must be repealed, lolololololololol
jfc you just can't win
luckily the measure to remove Trump's 10k cap died and never got put in front of biden to sign or veto
but furthermore, let's pretend it's not a measure to make sure the wealthy pay their fair share and indeed something evil?
then you must ask? why then did the biden admin not repeal it? or better yet, why then are you opposed to someone who's a coin flip to be the next president saying they will now repeal it?
fwiw, he is most likely only saying that now because he's trying to raise money from major donors who keep on telling him, "well jeeze don i would contribute but I'm getting taxed an extra 70k a year due to your policies already"
just cannot win with you people, it's a cult and a religion, that iditioc foolish buffoon actually did something that's really good and wholly aligned with your values but you're still going to frame it as something bad because he did it (or even worse, something that's actually bad that but you're now upset he's going to undo it)
you realize how crazy that is? like someone stabs you in the stomach and says "oh that was a mistake, i shouldn't be stabbing people" to which you then complain to the person "lol you're so incompetent at stabbing make up your mind already"
Linda Ronstadt releases statement, calling out Donald Trump.
I LOVE Linda Ronstadt more than ever for her condemnation of the rapist felon crime boss posing as a leader.
FreakDaddy and Rickroll, quit it with the slappies please. And Victor, its not appropriate to insert yourself and pile on another poster with insults. That's what people do to you, and you don't like it.
That is all. Thank you, friends ♥
Not my fight but do you think the US democracy for the people in general or favouring the highest earners ?
More so when u compare to other democracies.
oh it's definitely corrupt af and totally in favor of the 1% power brokers (see above) but they want it that way
and that's literally what democracy is
to restrict those people from influencing things and removing freewill to participate in politics etc would not be a democratic state
this goes back as far as time, just look at caesar's civil war, he was an upstart who as a populist was doing crazy things like helping out the poor and enfranchising them and redistributing wealth and land so they got a share of it
the result of it was the senators declaring him an enemy of rome - they declared war on him because he was enriching the poor, it was not a coup d'etat by caesar but an act of self defense as they declared war on him - they were really dumb about it, he was on the closest frontier with armies, they were in the interior without only token defense forces (because armies were all at the frontier) - they knew his armies were dispersed all over for their winter quarters - hence why they did it in the middle of winter, they figured caesar was at his weakest then with no army ready to go at which point he'd probably come to rome and surrender or stay in gaul as a traitor - in which case he couldn't muster his army until the spring, by which point the senate could have mustered their own armies in greece and spain (which vastly outnumbered caesars) and then march to gaul and crush him
they never expected caesar would just go march on rome, it was such a shock that they assumed he had a much more powerful force than he did, in reality he only called a single legion which was the closest to his hq (and would get the rest much later as it'd take them plenty of time to gather supplies (as it's winter) and assemble
they assumed that caesar would never be so insane as to march on them without his full army of 10 legions so they assumed he had tricked them and was prepared for this but in reality he was only marching on them with a single legion
they had more than enough to repel him with but due to thinking his army was 10x larger they took that army and fled to greece, making matters even worse, they hastily raised a couple militas to station at well fortified cities along his path with the intention of slowing him down - but soldiers don't fight like they do in braveheart, they prioritize survival and run at the first sign of danger, this is doubly so for newly raised soldiers who have never seen combat and are told a massive army of hardened veterans used to killing massive gauls is marching upon them - so they did the reasonable thing and when caesar arrived, they sent out a delegation whch said "welcome to the town we were holding for you, now we're ready to join your cause" - so caesars army more than tripled on its way to rome
then once he got there, with the senate gone he was now basically in charge, which is what started the entire transition away from a republic and obviously he couldn't trust putting those wealthy people back in charge because they'd just try to kill him once more because of his populist policies
he had to put down an endless amount of rebellions, once he defeated one coalition of oligarchs a new coalition would rise up - there was over a decade of coalitions of people so wealthy they could raise private armies doing exactly just that to try to take down caesar and then his successor and restore the republic
caesar made the lives of the commoners of rome immeasurably better than under the republic
he also severely curtailed the power of wealthy citizens, sometimes outright killing them in proscriptions for the sole purpose of acquiring their wealth in order to pay for things the state needed
proscriptions would remain common in rome long after caesar, they also exist in most every dictatorship, a family acquires too much wealth and power and the state swoops in and confiscates it and perhaps even kills or imprisons them as well - this is super common even today in china where whenever there's a change in leadership at the top they engage in heavy purges of the old elites under their predecessor in order to strip them of that power and wealth and bestow it upon their own people - this is the primary reason for the flight of people and capital in china to the USA because they all know their time is limited and it's unlikely they can retain what they have under the new guy
but of course, billionaires would love that stuff and hate democracy because of "narratives"
sure buddy
FreakDaddy and Rickroll, quit it with the slappies please. And Victor, its not appropriate to insert yourself and pile on another poster with insults. That's what people do to you, and you don't like it.
That is all. Thank you, friends ♥
upgraded from fren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol
FreakDaddy and Rickroll, quit it with the slappies please. And Victor, its not appropriate to insert yourself and pile on another poster with insults. That's what people do to you, and you don't like it.
That is all. Thank you, friends ♥
I dont care if people insult me. I find it unfair and hypocritical that I am not allowed to respond to them at even a fraction of their vitriol.
when I compare Trump to murderous psychopaths like the leaders of the Democratic party, that is not a defense of the man. its quite the opposite.
If you think they're exactly the same just say that. You could save lots of words and just write samesies every few posts 😀
Or are you into that different but equal thing?
Newsweek: More Than Half of Trump Voters Believe Haitians Are Eating Pets: Poll
Reminds me of when more than half the country thought Trump was being controlled by Putin.
What do you do when you realize those who the public imbue with authority can tell them anything and they will believe it?
oh it's definitely corrupt af and totally in favor of the 1% power brokers (see above) but they want it that way
and that's literally what democracy is
to restrict those people from influencing things and removing freewill to participate in politics etc would not be a democratic state
this goes back as far as time, just look at caesar's civil war, he was an upstart who as a populist was doing crazy things like helping out the poor and enfranchising them and redistributing wealth and land so they go
Thx for the history flashback but didn’t u just make the point that billionaires wants has less as possible a true democracy for the people ?
And they always try to find the means to attain it ?
So I dont get the big fuss with freaky and you .
If you think they're exactly the same just say that. You could save lots of words and just write samesies every few posts 😀
Or are you into that different but equal thing?
I like to point out the specifics for a reason. so as not to sound as reductive as my none-reading forum enemies try to smear.
MAGA ofc has a ton of leaders saying crazy things. but the Dems are now courting and bragging about Dick Cheney and Reagan Republicans.
MAGA says that Haitians are eating dogs and cats. but the Dems have a plan to deport a bunch of Haitians to Guantanamo.
Trump tells absurd lies. but Biden and Kamala have perpetuated beheaded babies and a rape hoax to support a plausible genocide and ICC allegd war of extermination. and as an aside, this is not the first rape hoax the Dems have promoted. I am old enough to remember both Iraq wars, the Libya war, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine where the Dems said the soldiers were being fed viagra to do more rape.
and really this only scratches the surface of the lies the Dems have promoted. so its lies all the way down and sure if you want to be trite then they are different but the same, or more precise their differences are negligible.
I like to point out the specifics for a reason. so as not to sound as reductive as my none-reading forum enemies try to smear.
MAGA ofc has a ton of leaders saying crazy things. but the Dems are now courting and bragging about Dick Cheney and Reagan Republicans.
MAGA says that Haitians are eating dogs and cats. but the Dems have a plan to deport a bunch of Haitians to Guantanamo.
Trump tells absurd lies. but Biden and Kamala have perpetuated beheaded babies and a rape hoax to support a plau
Man, true I live outside the U.S., but those story lies u tell it’s the first time I ever heard it .
Democrats aren’t bragging Cheney and Bush are great , just that they won’t vote for trump cause in actually trump is the rino ….
Deportation, like Israel , trump will do more but it’s ok to ignore it .
Coming from you it’s no surprise .
Man, true I live outside the U.S., but those story lies u tell it’s the first time I ever heard it .
Democrats aren’t bragging Cheney and Bush are great , just that they won’t vote for trump cause in actually trump is the rino ….
Deportation, like Israel , trump will do more but it’s ok to ignore it .
Coming from you it’s no surprise .
what legislation did Biden enact to protect immigrants?
Thx for the history flashback but didn’t u just make the point that billionaires wants has less as possible a true democracy for the people ?
And they always try to find the means to attain it ?
So I dont get the big fuss with freaky and you .
he said this
That's kind of the whole point of democracy, homie. To put a check on centralized wealth, which the wealthy have fought at every step of countries becoming democratized. The wealthy hate democracy.
none of that is remotely true, that's all i said, he then turned it into a series of insults, goal post moving, unhinged rants about the deep state (lol), etc
democracy is created by the wealthy specifically because if you're wealthy, then the best possible outcome that ensures your multi-generational longevity is a democracy as the biggest threat to your wealth is the state confiscating it which won't happen in a democracy
democracies also allow the wealthy the freedom to participate in politics and exert an insane amount of influence - only in a democracy can the billionaires cutting checks to the government ensure they get preferential tax codes - in non-democratic countries, the state will actually be incentivized to tax them heavily and even seize their wealth directly in order to prevent them from becoming potential rivals
as roc noted, things are good in saudi arabia if you are a member of the house of saud, otherwise it's not that great,
the new guy mbs, he was appointed the successor in 2017... what else happened in 2017? oh right a massive proscription where they rounded up 500 of the wealthiest people in the country and turned the ritz carlton into a prison for 2 years
what did they do? as a result of that?
As many as 500 people were rounded up in the sweep.[7] Saudi Arabian banks froze more than 2,000 domestic accounts as part of the crackdown.[8] According to The Wall Street Journal, the Saudi government targeted cash and assets worth up to $800 billion.[9] The Saudi authorities claimed that amount was composed of assets worth around $300 billion to $400 billion that they can prove was linked to corruption.[10][11]
The anti-corruption committee ended its mission on 30 January 2019, concluding that 381 individuals were apprehended, some of them were able to give their testimony, and $107 billion was recovered to the state treasury as a result.
but sure, the billionaires of america all want something like that where trump is our king and they can roll the dice each time a new head of state pops in and decides to enrich themselves and eliminate potential rivals in one fell swoop, that's exactly what want... jfc it's just insane to actually believe that the wealthy are anti-democracy, especially when the wealthy dominate our poltiics, could dismantle our government if they wanted but not only that, promote an idealistic foreign policy of "nation building" where we go around the world toppling dictatorships and replacing them with more democracies because they're apparently self hating or just hate running the sim for a world totalitarian state on easy mode idk it's your crazy fantasy so you decide their true motives you prefer to wholly invent
Courting? They are just laughing that such stalwart republicans (that Trump admires) recognize he is a POS.
What have they done to court them?
he said this
none of that is remotely true, that's all i said, he then turned it into a series of insults, goal post moving, unhinged rants about the deep state (lol), etc
democracy is created by the wealthy specifically because if you're wealthy, then the best possible outcome that ensures your multi-generational longevity is a democracy as the biggest threat to your wealth is the state confiscating it which won't happen in a democracy
democracies also allow the wealthy the freedom to participate
Well there is more democratic country then the U.S. .
The U.S. is more an oligarchy than a democracy imo .
There is obviously level of democracies but when I see how like 50% of the population is so miserable on many aspect in the U.S. , the U.S. is far from being the best model .
I think the U.S. got amazing things but awful stuff too on the Democratic stance compare to many other countries shrug .
I mean remember in 1933 when the government confiscate gold ?
The U.S. was a democracy back then and still didn’t prevent confiscating wealth either .
Freaky went probably a bit too far but he wasn’t like 100% wrong either .
