Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
is baby jesus aware of the self though? we can't know what he'd do if we don't know his own perception of self!
I’ve mentioned how I think it’s important for the USA to have a unifying national identity rather than merely see itself as an economic zone.I’ve mentioned how the Declaration of Independence was about the moral high ground. The underlying idea is that if we take the morally right action, if we do what is right, then we will get closer to the good life (lastin
craig, what I wrote below is my attempt to rewrite your post:
I think it is important for people in the U.S. to have a national identity and not simply to think of themselves as citizens of an economic zone.
The underlying idea of the Declaration of Independence is that acting morally, doing what is right, will bring us closer to the good life.
To pursue the good life in a way that is consistent with the Declaration of Independence, citizens and governmental policy cannot be focused mainly on survival. The goal of social programs and safety nets should be to prevent people from focusing on survival. The goal should not be to provide people with a good life. As memorialized in the Declaration of Independence, acting morally is the only real path to a good life.
Did I accurately capture what you were trying to say? If so, do you believe that your version or my version is easier to understand?
Ithe political class in the USA has simply replaced the Catholic Church of old as the providers of lasting goodness. They can’t deliver on any of their promises either.
Thus, the need for a recovered national identity to get this country back on track. This national identity will have to come from outside of the political class for the reasons mentioned.
It will be news to most poor people that the Catholic Church was a source of lasting goodness rather than a leech which held them in penury on the untestable promise of reward after death (talking of entities which can't deliver on their promises).
As the role of the church diminished many of its claimed benefits were provided by communities and trade unions, and yes, some political parties (at least for a period of time).
I’ve mentioned how I think it’s important for the USA to have a unifying national identity rather than merely see itself as an economic zone.
We have one already? It's called "The United States of America," a large, unified political entity with members who identify as American citizens. Hope that helps.
I think you should thank Rococo for translating your gibberish into English for everyone else to understand.
craig, what I wrote below is my attempt to rewrite your post:
Did I accurately capture what you were trying to say? If so, do you believe that your version or my version is easier to understand?
To stop the horrific killing of children we must kill more children.
It will be news to most poor people that the Catholic Church was a source of lasting goodness rather than a leech which held them in penury on the untestable promise of reward after death (talking of entities which can't deliver on their promises).As the role of the church diminished many of its claimed benefits were provided by communities and trades unions, and yes, some poli
If a populace hopes for a top-down solution for lasting goodness, then that institution in power inevitably becomes corrupt and totalitarian. We saw it with the Catholic Church and history is repeating itself with the American political class.
If your government has become corrupt and totalitarian, then that is a wake up call its citizens are placing too much hope onto them for the good life, and it’s time to start a correcting, bottom-up dialogue about it.
Craig, this is the moderation thread.
Haven’t we already been through several prior versions of this too?
could probably take general chat out of the title. could also probably create a craig containment thread, or direct him to the philosophy forum
We have one already? It's called "The United States of America," a large, unified political entity with members who identify as American citizens. Hope that helps.
But there is no longer a widely shared ethos underlying it.
Yes there is, wtf are you talking about.
could probably take general chat out of the title. could also probably create a craig containment thread, or direct him to the philosophy forum
Yeah maybe. But I’m stuck on a real life issue at the moment. A little boy hit baby Xnerd in the face today at school, and I’m having some talks with myself about it because this is new for me. Emotional disregulation leads to poor outcomes so I need to really sit on this for a minute lol.
Craig has yet to tell us who exactly he is referencing when he says “undesirable identities”, so absent that clarification I’m left to assume this is a conversation we still do not want to have here in politics.
Craig, if you want to have a thread about this, you need to take it to the philosophy forum please.
Thank you 😀
Can we skip to the part where you call for immigrants to be kicked out? This is taking forever.
Craig has yet to tell us who exactly he is referencing when he says “undesirable identities”, so absent that clarification I’m left to assume this is a conversation we still do not want to have here in politics.
Craig, if you want to have a thread about this, you need to take it to the philosophy forum please.
Thank you 😀
A national identity based on race or religion would be undesirable. We need to provide a better alternative I think.
If you include working for a pittance all your life in the forlorn hope of fulfilling the American Dream, then yes.
Can we skip to the part where you call for immigrants to be kicked out? This is taking forever.
The question is: would baby Jesus self-exclude?
A national identity based on race or religion would be undesirable. We need to provide a better alternative I think.
Right. As I suspected the first time, this seems to be just a very long way around discussing identity politics and complaining about DEI and welfare couched in language about morality and the “good life”. You refuse to clarify who are the “undesirable identities”, which is fine because I know who you mean.
We’re not going to do that here, Craig. See if they’ll let you try in philosophy.
