Crazy asian lady - hero call 1/3
Ok so villain is a 30s asian lady who is very splashy, i’ve seen her done some big bluffs as well. the hand before she was moved to the table, called a 3b oop then just donked jammed $600 into a $100 pot QJdd on a Qxxdd board .
$600 eff
raise to 10, call, i raise button with JJ(diamond) to $50 - she cold calls from bb - i can’t assign her a range here really but could be something as bad a T7s, i’m sure she willl 4b all prem., other 2 fold.
$120
FLOP
K98ddd
xx
Turn 4x
villain bets $60, i call
River $240
blank i forgot
villain bets $300
Vs a crazy player here, call with the diamond and fold others is ok?
9 Replies
I’d call. She’ll have Axdd sometimes but her air should more than make up for it.
When have you seen her bluff? You described her donk jamming 6x pot with a decent top pair and flush draw after cold calling in a 3b pot. That's not really a bluff, it is bad though.
I would call if she had a history of actually making big river bluffs. As played if is kind of a coin toss. I generally assume players aren't really capable here unless they have proven otherwise. In addition to having bluffs, preferably she also doesn't make really thin value bets for big size, like just random Kx here.
I would bet the flop small. K high flops and you are the preflop aggressor on a k high board. You have 1 diamond also. You can get called by worse and you have equity vs the calling range.
id bet 15-20 otf and see what happens, especially if you dont know what to do if she starts betting when you check. i think your line is ok but would guess this size otr is underbluffed. whether you want to fold range to that or do something else is up to you. my guess would be if you mix the flop you dont need to call this, but i would also guess you're never actually checking the hands you do need to call so you end up with a bit of a problem (is why it's easier to just not split your range early). you can always randomize 50/50 and mix up the cards and call if u pick a diamond. fish rly do love that
id also be very nervous giving her as wide of a range as t7ss (unless she showed up w it in this hand) thats really loose
having looked at a few sims i dont see it want to range bet as ip. thats weird to me as usually can just get away with it at least at this spr, i guess mono changes it enough. interestingly ott even vs 1/2 ur mostly folding the underpairs without a diamond, and ur never calling down w this even with a d otr. you're meant to mix most hands here otf but i suspect based on op you're probably not executing this strategy lol. would think u could just get away with range bet 15% or something and figure it out later in the hand esp if shes too wide pre and thats probably the best bet.
The first hand wasn't really a bluff... it's just a fish donk jam with a hand that doesn't need to jam at that SPR.
That hand makes me think weird/mergy enough to do this with Kx (so it's not a polarized situation). The main bluffs are something like AdQx, AxQd, QJs, JTs. I don't think that's enough bluffs to justify calling down.
Equilab results are in and they say it's a bad call unless she's truly mad.
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Board: Kd9d8d4h3s
Equity Win Tie
SB 73.13% 73.13% 0.00% { 99-88, 44, QTs, 98s, 76s, AdQd, KhQh, KsQs, KcQc, AdJd, KhJh, KsJs, KcJc, QhJh, QsJs, QcJc, AdTd, KhTh, KsTs, KcTc, JhTh, JsTs, JcTc, Kh9h, Ks9s, Kc9c, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, AKo, KQo, AdQh, AdQs, AdQc, AhQd, AsQd, AcQd, AdJh, AdJs, AdJc }
BB 26.87% 26.87% 0.00% { JdJh }
I would bet flop small, like $30. I don't like giving up the betting lead here.
As played on flop, just call turn.
As played on turn, think we just need to fold river. V isn't likely to be bluffing or betting worse for value here.
I'm fine with the hand to the river.
It's a little hard to tell how exactly how "crazy" she is when the only example of her putting in big money postflop she had TP as well as a flush draw to back it up (not the way I would have played it but not as if she's blasting off with little equity either). So unless there's some HH's of her punting postflop with nothing, I'm probably folding.
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Appreciate the replies, I mentioned the QJ hand because it happened like 1-2 hands prior. I can’t remember the specifics of the big bluffs she’s done, but i’ve seen her do it. It didn’t happen this session or last, so i just can’t remember and it didn’t involve me.
Yeah i really think folding here is the proper move in the long run vs most. I was torn at the table, but my thinking was she would take a bigger sizing with a better hand on the turn. Add her image, etc i ended up calling. She turned over Q7hh for the stone cold nothing shrug.
Later on, not that it’s relevant, i opened TT on bu and she min 3b AA in the bb. Flop was K92r, she cbet small, turn was another K and she went 1.5x pot, and i folded and she showed AA.
Appreciate the replies, I mentioned the QJ hand because it happened like 1-2 hands prior. I can’t remember the specifics of the big bluffs she’s done, but i’ve seen her do it. It didn’t happen this session or last, so i just can’t remember and it didn’t involve me.
Yeah i really think folding here is the proper move in the long run vs most. I was torn at the table,
This is completely correct and my reasoning for calling. Don’t second guess yourself when your spidey sense picks up on inconsistencies (ie: her turn and river sizing). It’s not perfect but will put you ahead in the long run.
nh wp.
Appreciate the replies, I mentioned the QJ hand because it happened like 1-2 hands prior. I can’t remember the specifics of the big bluffs she’s done, but i’ve seen her do it. It didn’t happen this session or last, so i just can’t remember and it didn’t involve me.
Yeah i really think folding here is the proper move in the long run vs most. I was torn at the table, but my thinking was she would take a bigger sizing with a better hand on the turn. Add her image, etc i ended up calling. She tu
The later hand isn't relevant to the hand here. All we can do in-game is go on the info we have, unless we can see the future.
I think this call is losing long-term, against most V's, even fishy V's. Most just aren't going to start randomly bluffing turns with total air just because we check back on the flop. Especially not on monotone boards, when they can't even beat top pair, and aren't drawing to anything that beats top pair.
But, however often it happens, it's why we like to just c-bet the flop, even for a small size. In fact, we prefer a small size when we're betting range. If she has a big hand, she's likely to let us know on the flop, and if she wants to trap, okay, let her. We'll be realizing our equity for a lower price when she just smooth calls, and opening herself up to get bluffed on a later street, instead of vice-versa.
Like, here, I'd c-bet the flop small, around 20% pot, and if she calls, I'm barreling turn small, like 1/3 pot. If she calls, I'm just taking our showdown value by checking back the river. No reason to complicate things by opening the door for her to blast off with both value and bluffs, when we can just bet small and let her figure out the optimal response.