AQ value betting against a fish, 250 BB deep.

From your previous read, MP2 is stuck, and a tilting aggrofish. Accordingly, I don't want to check this river, as I think it will induce a shove, which I don't want to call. I probably bet-fold this 200-250. A block bet that doesn't obviously look like one. That may be a mistake.

I understand wanting to bomb the turn. If you do, it has to be something like 1.5x pot or more, I think. Make V make a mistake by continuing to draw. Which, intoxicated, they probably will.

Me, I'm tempted to keep the pot small and check-call something modest on this blank. Then I can call whatever on river or laugh and fold if V 3X pot shoves.

As it is, 76 got there, T9 and KQ didn't, and obv the flush did. This V, IMHO is acting like they were drawing or trapping throughout. If so, they probably got there. Do we know how this V plays draws? Though, you were building the pot for V already.

I would bet less on the flop (35 as opposed to 70) and then less ott (65 into 140 as opposed to 180 into 170) then we have room to b/f otr without being committed if we run into a flush (or two pair plus).

When our stacks start to get deep, we should be playing big pots with big hands and medium pots with medium strength hands such as top pair good kicker.

I don't like your line.

-sketchy board [x]

-more than one V [x]

-OOP? [x]

-deep/high SPR? [x]

I'm playing this defensively, check calling over multiple streets, I'm okay with a small cbet as Vs have been ranged wide PF.

AP I'm check/eval, its very hard for us to have a flush here.

I go bigger preflop. You're gonna be out of position, you have a good hand, and you know they're calling wide. If these guys are raising a lot I might even pull a gg and limp raise with this hand.

I think the flop is fine. I go smaller on the turn. The river actually sucks for us. How aggressive has he been? Did he ever raise with the K4? Part of me just wants to check and call a bet from him depending on size and how he has been playing.

And it looks as if you are $750 effective, not $1200 -- never mind -- he starts with ~$1,150?

Sorry, I messed up the hand. I had a flush draw OTT

A♦ J♦ 8♥ flop, 4♥ turn 5♦ river

I also updated the other thread. This is the guy who had 97 in the hand I posted.

You need to reread your own thread if you believe everyone agreed on the optimal size of the flop bet in the other hand.

I know I'm not a mod or anything but if you're looking to improve your game and get better I would suggest not to link other threads just copy and past his read or whatever it is your tryna convey (not that I'm complaining, it's not for my own convenience it's to help you improve since you'll get a lot more people to respond to your hands).

There are a lot of variables that determine bet sizes, even too many to list. Every hand and situation is different and unique.

You're also referring to most of your villain as a "fish" I'm sure you've seen the movie Rounders so I'm not even gonna go there rn or be that guy and just because someone's drinking it doesn't mean he's about to donate his stack and gii with king high for 250 bb's.

In the hands you posted, even though they were "drunk fish" I don't see anything so unusual about them whether they were drinking or not. They're not maniacs going through 10 buy in's in an houre they're just regular recreational players drinking and having fun but it doesn't mean they're about to donate their 250 stack to you with bottom pair or king high.

If you had a FD ott you still have top pair so you don't have to bet huge hoping he folds, I would just be h/p again (even if we hit a flush we have a chance to make more money from him istead of folding him out ott). As played I would just check back the river, and say in my head "please check it back" instead of having to face a big bet or betting big ourselves and having to call off a jam.

It's some random drunk. If you bet big, you make the decision easy. I'd go $250 or $300. That's 60BB and a big win with the pot if he has a random bad ace. He could be stronger than you think here. Depends on the nature of the drunk guy.

Just check flop. Let either of them bet their worse 1P or draws. Maybe check raise depending on the sizing.

Don't like the big c-bet from OOP. Would like it better if we made it $20 or $25.

As played on flop, over-bet the turn for 1.5x pot. Don't like giving this guy anything close to a reasonable price to chase the bazillion draws in his range. Let's charge him more to continue.

As played on turn, pretty ugly river. Hate to take a big bet-fold line. Don't want to bet small and induce a bluff. Probably just check-evaluate, with a plan to call off a less than 2/3 pot sized bet. Fold to a bigger bet.

My thinking is he'll bet his flushes huge, and while he'll probably try to rep a made hand with his worse 1P, he's unlikely to bet huge. So we can fold to a big bet and induce a bluff we can call if it's a small bet.

To state what should be obvious: your strat advice is fine wrt this particular hand. But anyone who doesn't distinguish between "fish" and "drunk fish" is missing major value and probably also making some bad folds. Also, if most villains at these stakes are not fish, you need to find a better game.

There's no need to be politically correct about drunks, or fish, or drunk fish. Nobody prosecutes you for discriminating against drunks. Calling a fish a fish is not "racist" against the fishy race that doesn't even exist. This is just silly.