AA vs 3B

Yeah no real reason to raise such a dry flop. The whole reason you call sometimes with aces is to protect your calling range and it makes a perfect candidate to call down with against aggressive barrelers.

Personally I would have preferred a small 4-bet pre. He's probably pretty strong 3-betting UTG+1 and you don't want to miss out on the chance to cooler him when he doesn't like the flop.

As to whether you can get away on the flop, I would say possibly against nits but stacking off isn't a punt or anything.

The typical rule of thumb is that stacking off with an overpair when SPR is under 3 on the flop is usually standard. SPR of 3-5 which is where you were at is "it depends" territory. You can sometimes stack off but should be a little more cautious. SPR over 5 you typically want to be very selective about stacking off with an over pair.

Here I'd put him on something like KK, AK and maybe some KQs or 5-10% allowance for random spew. You're blocking AK which is what you're hoping he has, but there are still enough AK combos that you can't really fold, IMO.

75bb deep OOP is not the time to flat AA imho. As played gii.

Yeah, you're deep enough that you should 4-bet pre. Around 40BB you might consider trapping.

That said, I don't know the optimal line here, but I don't think going broke is really a mistake. Sorry you ran into KK/88.

If we 4 bet pre I would be jamming so it looks like we can have hands other than AA (like AK/QQ/KK). If I was going to make a 4bet preflop that wasn't a jam I would make it about 6,000. The reason I don't like doing that OOP is that UTG+1 will basically always call and we won't know if they hit a set if a K/Q/J/T hits the flop. Especially if there is more than one of them.

My preference here would be to jam preflop especially if we can buy back in if we get sucked out on.

As played I wouldn't raise on the flop because we would be letting UTG+1 fold out all hands worse than AK and if Villain has AK they will continue to bet on the turn anyway and we may be giving them the opportunity to fold on the flop.

Because we under repped our hand pre-flop I would just call down. If Villain checks back the turn we can bet the river and it is possible they will call with QQ/JJ/TT. If Villain bets the turn and makes a blocking size bet on the river we can jam then but I doubt we would be called.

4b to 6600

Flop is wtver, i think calling is better but its not a huge mistake to raise/call off.

The mistakes you made is not 4b pre flop and raising the flop, as played now I don't see how can fold with so much invested. I get the reasoning, but sometimes getting to cute with AA can cause more head aches in the long run.

If you call pre just to raise fold otf I would say that is not the most optimal line in the long run.

I like what Mr Rick was saying about shoving... ranges are strong here and if he's been active he might call light (especially if he covers) thinking you were taking a stand.

Your hand is pure 4bet frequency even if villain is ''active'' his overall range will be ''tight'' enough (early position) to defend against a 4bet. I can see some merit flatting if you are co against btn when villain would be very wide and more polar, earlier position have linear ranges even if players are active which can defend against your small 4bet. I dont see any merits of flatting. Xraising flop is fine and obv you have to bust, its not like he will not show with KQ AK sometimes, since you dominate his value it is near impossible to fold

What's the buyin? How do you perceive the quality of Villain?

What I mean is that on lower buyins you will find quite a few "active" players that very well might play like this on the flop when they hit top pair/top kicker and another player shows interest. They could also do things like 3-bet with small SC:s pre and if they hit a good draw they will be more than willing to play for stacks on the flop.

Such a player doing like this OTF with AK or 76s wouldn't surprise me at all. I found it much less likely he would 3-bet you from this position with 55 or 88. Even "active" players would normally call with this hands for setmining.

The remaining hand would be pocket kings or a pure and bad (in this spot) bluff.

His sizing on the flop also doesn't indicate a solid player. So I feel I want to call here. If he has pocket kings so be it, and all other likely hands we're ahead of.

EDIT: The two other aces is also a hand the type of player I tried to picture above could play like this. It's low probability of course, but from time to time we all will find us up aginst a player with the same pair. I had an allin the other day with QQ and got called by the other ladies.

It was a £75 buy in. he seems quite active and ive played a lot of cash games with the guy before. in this spot he actually turned up with 55

I think it's good to make sure our lines are correlated. In this instance, since we chose to slow play pre, calling on flop aligns with this. Especially seeing as you may put him into a tough spot if he has QQ/JJ here with your x/raise. Just x/call flop, probably x/x a lot of turns, bet river and get called by QQ/JJ etc (or if he happens to have AK/KQ he'll bet turn and you gii there not to mention maybe you catch an occasional blast off from worse because of the passive/sneaky line we took

Hope you get to play with him again. 3 betting 55 from this position is pretty awful

I agree with this. I think I would 4 bet here bc utg+ 1 is going to be strong bc people don’t 3! Too often in live game I feel. I would just 4! And set up a small cbet in relation to the pot and get it in on turn most likely.

Think I would 4! To like 6k. 5-7k is fine though- we just want a call and easy set up post.

Ignoring this hand exactly but if we are in this situation. What are we going to 4b

C/c small donk turn would drive him crazy

I like the call pre - our 4b would be interpreted too nutty imo, but if it isn't than 4b would be ideal. On the flop - against better players I might raise, worse players I'd just call. Raising this flop makes no sense to the villain - if you had a set you'd probably just call, AK/KQ just calls,etc. As played we're stacking off here.

I remember a few years ago I posted a similar hand where I flatted a lag's 3-bet because I thought they would perceive a 4-bet as being too nutted.

But if that's the case you should be 4-betting more. That's the advice I got and they were right. 4-bet with polarized hands if you expect him to mostly fold and expand your value 4-bet range if you expect him to call.

The only reason this guy can get away with 3-betting with hands like 5s is because you're probably almost never 4-betting

Tighter he is-->More Ax in his snapping range-->More AA should trap.

Think that's about the most precise exploitative statement you can make here.

Accuracy a different story 😀

I wanna default to jam because I think tendency will be most people 3b too tight here and not fold enough. Think against basically all reasonable 3b ranges, jam will be unexploitable most/all the time anyway. So the fact we can potentially exploit with a jam is all the more reason to do it.

TT, AQs easily conceivable as 3b-f and I won't be convinced that I'm crazy for asserting some dudes are so butthole tight with their 3bets here that they'd need to fold AKo and QQ to be unexploitable and we know that's not happening.