$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
He got his revenge.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($29.28) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.3% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Hands: 102460]
SB ($31.98) [VPIP: 30.1% | PFR: 20.5% | AGG: 71.4% | Hands: 85]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 22.6% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 40.3% | Flop Agg: 44.6% | Turn Agg: 40.3% | River Agg: 36.5% | 3Bet: 10.8% | Fold to 3Bet: 62.3% | 4Bet: 11.3% | Hands: 1775]
UTG ($31.94) [VPIP: 59.6% | PFR: 36.5% | AGG: 20.6% | Hands: 54]
HJ ($51.06) [VPIP: 25.6% | PFR: 18.9% | AGG: 42.1% | Hands: 1867]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 18.9% | AGG: 42.5% | Hands: 889]
Dealt to Hero: T♠ T♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, SB Folds, BB Raises To $3.25, HERO Calls $2.65
Hero SPR on Flop: [3.3 effective]
Flop ($6.60): 4♦ K♠ 4♥
BB Bets $3.30 (Rem. Stack: $18.45), HERO Calls $3.30 (Rem. Stack: $22.73)
Turn ($13.20): 4♦ K♠ 4♥ 6♠
BB Bets $6.60 (Rem. Stack: $11.85), HERO Calls $6.60 (Rem. Stack: $16.13)
River ($26.40): 4♦ K♠ 4♥ 6♠ 3♥
BB Bets $11.85 (allin), HERO Calls $11.85 (Rem. Stack: $4.28)
Spoiler
BB shows: K♥ A♣
BB wins: $47.60
Posting a lot today but these hands are fun.
99 is X back OTF more than you'd think.
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HJ ($27.55) [VPIP: 25.6% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 21.6% | Flop Agg: 4.9% | Turn Agg: 32.1% | River Agg: 42.1% | 3Bet: 12.5% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 184]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 23% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 23.6% | Hands: 694]
HERO ($28.94) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.4% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.3% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Hands: 102554]
SB ($24.86) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 10.5% | AGG: 18.8% | Hands: 38]
BB ($26.39) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 25.6% | AGG: 28% | Hands: 92]
Dealt to Hero: 9♦ 9♠
HJ Raises To $0.55, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $1.63, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.08
Hero SPR on Flop: [7.18 effective]
Flop ($3.61): 4♦ 8♠ 6♣
HJ Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($3.61): 4♦ 8♠ 6♣ 9♣
HJ Bets $2.70 (Rem. Stack: $23.22), HERO Raises To $6.30 (Rem. Stack: $21.01), HJ Calls $3.60 (Rem. Stack: $19.62)
River ($16.21): 4♦ 8♠ 6♣ 9♣ T♥
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $21.01 (allin), HJ Calls $19.62 (allin)
Spoiler
HJ shows: J♦ T♦
HERO wins: $52.68
Deuces never loses.
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BTN ($27.34) [VPIP: 51.9% | PFR: 34.6% | AGG: 37.7% | Hands: 105]
SB ($29.65) [VPIP: 13.2% | PFR: 8.9% | AGG: 25.5% | Hands: 538]
BB ($40.72) [VPIP: 19.7% | PFR: 9% | AGG: 32.5% | Hands: 308]
UTG ($55.19) [VPIP: 18.2% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 22.5% | Flop Agg: 23.2% | Turn Agg: 26.1% | River Agg: 20.4% | 3Bet: 6.8% | 4Bet: 10.1% | Fold to 4Bet: 48.1% | Hands: 4726]
HJ ($50.01) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 15.7% | AGG: 37.2% | Hands: 258]
HERO ($40.65) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 41.4% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.3% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Hands: 102554]
Dealt to Hero: 2♦ 2♣
UTG Raises To $0.55, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $1.63, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Raises To $5.07, HERO Calls $3.44
Hero SPR on Flop: [3.39 effective]
Flop ($10.49): A♦ J♦ A♣
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $5.24 (Rem. Stack: $30.34), UTG Calls $5.24 (Rem. Stack: $44.88)
Turn ($20.97): A♦ J♦ A♣ 5♥
UTG Checks, HERO Checks
River ($20.97): A♦ J♦ A♣ 5♥ 6♠
UTG Bets $4.62 (Rem. Stack: $40.26), HERO Raises To $30.34 (allin), UTG Folds
Spoiler
HERO wins: $28.70
Okay last 2 hands for today. Not sure about either of these ones.
I do think this cold call backraise 4bet jam is AA a lot as I have seen it in live play before. I also have never seen this player before which makes me think he is probably a fish.
Solver hates the fold of course
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BTN ($40.80) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 19]
SB ($36.87) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 42.6% | Hands: 306]
HERO ($31.33) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 102636]
UTG ($29.86) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 38.4% | Hands: 340]
HJ ($30.98) [VPIP: 18.9% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 46.1% | Hands: 821]
CO ($50.25) [VPIP: 18.2% | PFR: 15% | AGG: 22.4% | Hands: 4745]
Dealt to Hero: J♦ J♣
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.62, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.62, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $3.78, HJ Calls $3.16, BTN Raises To $40.80 (allin), HERO Folds, HJ Folds
Spoiler
BTN wins: $11.44
I've seen this guy spaz, I was going to call this but I timed out (maybe it saved me from a spew call?).
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BTN ($36.45) [VPIP: 27.4% | PFR: 19.6% | AGG: 28.3% | Hands: 367]
SB ($32.52) [VPIP: 18.9% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 46.1% | Flop Agg: 53.9% | Turn Agg: 52.1% | 3Bet: 6.8% | 4Bet: 17.4% | Hands: 821]
HERO ($29.65) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42.1% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 102636]
UTG ($46.52) [VPIP: 26.3% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 30.8% | Hands: 19]
HJ ($18.63) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 37.9% | Hands: 571]
CO ($29.81) [VPIP: 21.8% | PFR: 18.5% | AGG: 22.8% | Hands: 399]
Dealt to Hero: 9♠ 5♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.75, HERO Calls $0.50
Hero SPR on Flop: [19.27 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 9♣ 4♦ 3♥
SB Bets $0.49 (Rem. Stack: $31.28), HERO Raises To $1.73 (Rem. Stack: $27.17), SB Raises To $5.45 (Rem. Stack: $26.32), HERO Calls $3.72 (Rem. Stack: $23.45)
Turn ($12.40): 9♣ 4♦ 3♥ 4♠
SB Bets $26.32 (allin), HERO Folds
Spoiler
SB wins: $11.78
This guy tried to table Captain me.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($38.10) [VPIP: 22.5% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 40.2% | Flop Agg: 44.7% | Turn Agg: 39.7% | River Agg: 36.6% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 11.3% | Hands: 1759]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 37.8% | Hands: 330]
HERO ($30)
I assume you called based off of notes/read? Can't imagine this will be overbluffed by average reg,
And this is what happens when you put preflop exploits on a public forum.
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HERO ($43.74) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 104024]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 26% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 33.8% | Hands: 3596]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 20.7% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 36.5% | Hands: 1330]
UTG ($34.48) [VPIP: 40.7% | PFR: 37% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 27]
HJ ($48.19) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 62]
CO ($40.97) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 13.7% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 106]
Dealt to Hero: A♠ A♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, SB Raises To $3, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $6.20, SB Raises To $25 (allin), HERO Calls $18.80
Flop ($50.25): 2♣ 3♠ 8♠
Turn ($50.25): 2♣ 3♠ 8♠ 3♥
River ($50.25): 2♣ 3♠ 8♠ 3♥ Q♣
Spoiler
SB shows: 6♦ K♦
HERO wins: $47.74
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BTN ($42.55) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 18.4% | AGG: 39.5% | Hands: 313]
SB ($62.35) [VPIP: 18.4% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 34.2% | Hands: 307]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 22.4% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 32.4% | Hands: 158]
UTG ($26.16) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 20.5% | AGG: 32.3% | Hands: 558]
HJ ($30.53) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 26.2% | Hands: 1453]
HERO ($31.86) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 104024]
Dealt to Hero: K♦ A♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.70, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $3.25, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $7.22, SB Raises To $62.35 (allin), HERO Calls $24.64 (allin)
Flop ($94.46): 9♠ Q♠ 2♥
Turn ($94.46): 9♠ Q♠ 2♥ 2♠
River ($94.46): 9♠ Q♠ 2♥ 2♠ Q♦
Spoiler
SB shows: A♦ J♣
HERO wins: $30.48
SB wins: $30.49
Cstation life
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BTN ($29.40) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 19.3% | AGG: 30.2% | Hands: 463]
HERO ($35.10) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Hands: 104118]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 51.3% | Flop Agg: 58.1% | Turn Agg: 56.4% | River Agg: 48.5% | 3Bet: 7% | Fold to 3Bet: 28% | 4Bet: 16.7% | Hands: 899]
UTG ($27.01) [VPIP: 21.7% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 33.8% | Hands: 1507]
HJ ($32.85) [VPIP: 19.6% | PFR: 17.4% | AGG: 38.6% | Hands: 330]
CO ($39.53) [VPIP: 32.5% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 38.5% | Hands: 40]
Dealt to Hero: 8♥ T♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Raises To $2, HERO Calls $1.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [5.75 effective]
Flop ($4): 8♠ 6♦ J♣
HERO Checks, BB Bets $1.32 (Rem. Stack: $21.68), HERO Calls $1.32 (Rem. Stack: $31.78)
Turn ($6.64): 8♠ 6♦ J♣ A♣
HERO Checks, BB Bets $3.98 (Rem. Stack: $17.70), HERO Calls $3.98 (Rem. Stack: $27.80)
River ($14.60): 8♠ 6♦ J♣ A♣ A♠
HERO Checks, BB Bets $17.70 (allin), HERO Calls $17.70 (Rem. Stack: $10.10)
Spoiler
BB shows: K♥ Q♦
HERO wins: $47.50
Okay 3bp spot quiz.
What is the clear play here? (cbet flop obv)
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HERO ($43.30) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.6% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 35.5% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.3% | 4Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 105745]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 5171]
BB ($31.44) [VPIP: 28.8% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 27.1% | Hands: 468]
UTG ($25.96) [VPIP: 34.6% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 26]
HJ ($87.96) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 43.2% | Flop Agg: 47.6% | Turn Agg: 45.7% | 3Bet: 7.8% | 4Bet: 7.9% | Hands: 2068]
CO ($29.08) [VPIP: 18.3% | PFR: 15.2% | AGG: 21.9% | Hands: 5281]
Dealt to Hero: T♥ T♠
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.75, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $2.13, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.38
Hero SPR on Flop: [8.93 effective]
Flop ($4.61): 7♣ 4♠ 7♥
HJ Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($4.61): 7♣ 4♠ 7♥ 3♣
HJ Bets $1.55 (Rem. Stack: $84.28), HERO Raises To $7.33 (Rem. Stack: $33.84), HJ Raises To $21.78 (Rem. Stack: $64.05), HERO ?
Bomb pot table strategy is interesting, got wrecked here.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($27.94) [VPIP: 48.4% | PFR: 32.8% | AGG: 43.2% | Flop Agg: 30.4% | Turn Agg: 64.3% | River Agg: 42.9% | 3Bet: 22.7% | 4Bet: 33.3% | Hands: 65]
HERO ($31.52) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.6% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.2% | 4Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 105897]
SB ($26.15) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 15.5% | AGG: 33.6% | Flop Agg: 35.8% | Turn Agg: 37.8% | River Agg: 29.6% | 3Bet: 10% | 4Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 607]
BB ($25.03) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 16.7% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 15]
UTG ($33.48) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 31.2% | Flop Agg: 35.3% | Turn Agg: 26.8% | River Agg: 34.6% | 3Bet: 6.4% | 4Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 290]
HJ ($26.24) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 38.9% | Turn Agg: 38.5% | River Agg: 12.5% | 3Bet: 2.8% | 4Bet: 66.7% | Hands: 105]
Dealt to Hero: 7♠ 5♣
Hero SPR on Flop: [3.17 effective]
Flop ($7.50): K♦ J♣ 6♣
SB Checks, BB Checks, UTG Checks, HJ Checks, CO Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($7.50): K♦ J♣ 6♣ 4♠
SB Checks, BB Checks, UTG Checks, HJ Checks, CO Bets $3.55 (Rem. Stack: $23.14), HERO Calls $3.55 (Rem. Stack: $26.72), SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $3.55 (Rem. Stack: $28.68), HJ Folds
River ($18.15): K♦ J♣ 6♣ 4♠ 9♠
UTG Checks, CO Checks, HERO Bets $26.72 (allin), UTG Calls $26.72 (Rem. Stack: $1.96), CO Folds
Spoiler
UTG shows: 3♣ J♥
UTG wins: $68.59
Turn is a range X.
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BTN ($83.24) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 44% | Hands: 2110]
HERO ($29.15) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.6% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.2% | 4Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 105897]
BB ($103.31) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 21.1% | Hands: 346]
UTG ($30.41) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 27.1% | Hands: 493]
HJ ($30.64) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 21.2% | AGG: 38.5% | Hands: 52]
CO ($30.25) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 41.8% | Flop Agg: 38.7% | Turn Agg: 46.8% | River Agg: 46.1% | 3Bet: 6.3% | 4Bet: 8.2% | Hands: 2279]
Dealt to Hero: Q♥ Q♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.60, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $2.75, BB Folds, CO Calls $2.15
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.59 effective]
Flop ($5.75): 5♣ J♥ K♦
HERO Bets $1.05 (Rem. Stack: $25.35), CO Calls $1.05 (Rem. Stack: $26.45)
Turn ($7.85): 5♣ J♥ K♦ T♦
HERO Checks, CO Bets $2.46 (Rem. Stack: $23.99), HERO Calls $2.46 (Rem. Stack: $22.89)
River ($12.77): 5♣ J♥ K♦ T♦ 8♠
HERO Checks, CO Bets $17.25 (Rem. Stack: $6.74), HERO Calls $17.25 (Rem. Stack: $5.64)
Spoiler
CO shows: T♥ A♥
HERO wins: $44.91
Okay 3bp spot quiz.
What is the clear play here? (cbet flop obv)
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HERO ($43.30) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.6% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 35.5% | 3Bet: 10.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.3% | 4Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 105745]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 19.5% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 5171]
BB ($31.44) [VPIP: 28.8% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 27.1% | Hands: 468]
UTG ($25.96) [VPIP: 34.6% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 4
Thinking fold. X on the flop could be congruent with a trappy XR strategy that didn't pan out, hence the stab/raise ott. Seems overly sophisticated play if he's got A5cc or 99/88, and calling to fold non draw rivers seems bad.
Learned something today. I'm supposed to jam this hand here. I guess the thinking is we don't have enough offsuit blocker hands in the BB3BET range so we need to just use the next best available.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($39.41) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 4]
SB ($26.48) [VPIP: 25.9% | PFR: 21.3% | AGG: 33.4% | Hands: 3691]
HERO ($28.47) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.6% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.3% | 4Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 105977]
UTG ($43.78) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 22.1% | AGG: 46.6% | Hands: 106]
HJ ($25.57) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 36.3% | Hands: 336]
CO ($55.73) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 20.7% | AGG: 41.3% | Flop Agg: 50.7% | Turn Agg: 41.3% | River Agg: 21.4% | 3Bet: 13.7% | 4Bet: 15.8% | Hands: 584]
Dealt to Hero: A♥ 5♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.57, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $3.01, CO Calls $2.44
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.16 effective]
Flop ($6.12): 4♠ K♦ 8♥
HERO Bets $3.06 (Rem. Stack: $22.40), CO Calls $3.06 (Rem. Stack: $49.66)
Turn ($12.24): 4♠ K♦ 8♥ 2♠
HERO Bets $6.12 (Rem. Stack: $16.28), CO Calls $6.12 (Rem. Stack: $43.54)
River ($24.48): 4♠ K♦ 8♥ 2♠ Q♠
HERO Checks, CO Checks
Spoiler
CO shows: J♥ J♦
CO wins: $23.26
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($99.11) [VPIP: 21.8% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 38.8% | Hands: 454]
HERO ($30.10) [VPIP: 27.9% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.6% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.3% | 4Bet: 11.6% | Hands: 106334]
BB ($42.90) [VPIP: 14.8% | PFR: 12.1% | AGG: 34.4% | Flop Agg: 31.8% | Turn Agg: 35.8% | River Agg: 38.5% | 3Bet: 8.9% | Fold to 3Bet: 53.8% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Hands: 1112]
UTG ($28.90) [VPIP: 21.6% | PFR: 17.1% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 1646]
HJ ($25.35) [VPIP: 18.3% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 21.8% | Hands: 5337]
CO ($50.70) [VPIP: 18.7% | PFR: 13.8% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 1094]
Dealt to Hero: 6♣ 6♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Raises To $2.75, HERO Calls $2
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.97 effective]
Flop ($5.50): 8♥ 9♣ 3♠
HERO Checks, BB Bets $1.92 (Rem. Stack: $38.23), HERO Calls $1.92 (Rem. Stack: $25.43)
Turn ($9.34): 8♥ 9♣ 3♠ T♠
HERO Bets $2.33 (Rem. Stack: $23.10), BB Calls $2.33 (Rem. Stack: $35.90)
River ($14): 8♥ 9♣ 3♠ T♠ 5♠
HERO Checks, BB Bets $25.70 (Rem. Stack: $10.20), HERO Calls $23.10 (allin)
Spoiler
BB shows: A♠ 7♦
HERO wins: $57.20
I just ran some Pio trials and obv @100bb no brainer call. But @ 200bb my solve mixes call/fold.
Interesting that OOP can have a turn OB stab range this deep. I thought your raise size was too high but it's good. However, against his lead/reraise range the solver isn't giving OOP many bluffs here. (in line with my assumptions earlier)
Curious why you think there's a clear decision. Partic given positions and low 4b.
I just ran some Pio trials and obv @100bb no brainer call. But @ 200bb my solve mixes call/fold.
Interesting that OOP can have a turn OB stab range this deep. I thought your raise size was too high but it's good. However, against his lead/reraise range the solver isn't giving OOP many bluffs here. (in line with my assumptions earlier)
Curious why you think there's a clear decision. Partic given positions and low 4b.
I don’t know exactly the best play between call/4bet/jam but folding is clearly the worst imo.
It depends if OOP will bluff rivers or just play face up OTR and only bet if he has it.
I would say the more rare a line is the less we care about solver outputs. How often does your turn probe get raised when you are 3BP OOP PFC?
I would say not very often. And the less players know a spot the further they play away from theory.
The most important point for me if to use MDA principles to figure out why we don’t fold turn.
I'm confused. If the GTO is kinda useless then doesn't that also invalidate any (if any) MDA?
Also, when people don't know what they're doing sometimes they're even more face-up. And given people don't bluff deep pots enough in general (and frankly, the lack of decent bluffs in OOP's range to start with) I still find that more of a convincing case for overfolding.
Or are you assuming OOP will specifically overplay the turn when we check the flop (if so, can see the reasoning to X more)? And will bet/raise too many broadways? I guess shoving would make sense if we think they're overplaying FDs
how much weight are u putting on OOP turn size? value usually goes bigger imo
I'm confused. If the GTO is kinda useless then doesn't that also invalidate any (if any) MDA?
Also, when people don't know what they're doing sometimes they're even more face-up. And given people don't bluff deep pots enough in general (and frankly, the lack of decent bluffs in OOP's range to start with) I still find that more of a convincing case for overfolding.
Or are you assuming OOP will specifically overplay the turn when we check the flop (if so, can see the reasoning to X more)? And will
I would argue GTO is much more useless than MDA. I think people learn poker incorrectly by starting with GTO. You should start with MDA because this is how people actually play poker.
GTO should be the last thing you learn since it’s only applicable against very good players. Maybe preflop is an exception but even blindly following preflop GTO is a bad way to approach the game.
The bolded is only correct in general but poker is all about situations. This is basically why general rules in poker can lead to bad thought processes.
So for this spot, the most important data point is his turn probe sizing. That is much more important than his 3bet turn action or his 4bet stats.
We know from MDA that small turn probe sizings are weaker than they should be so when he bet/3bets you go back to the initial data point.
In game I jammed and he folded but I think calling might be better in retrospect. Either way you can never fold based on how people construct probing ranges.
still prefer jamming with this hand though, this hand kinda vulnerable to getting outdrawn by the bluffs.
I would argue GTO is much more useless than MDA. I think people learn poker incorrectly by starting with GTO. You should start with MDA because this is how people actually play poker.
GTO should be the last thing you learn since it’s only applicable against very good players. Maybe preflop is an exception but even blindly following preflop GTO is a bad way to approach the game.
The bolded is only correct in general but poker is all about situations. This is basically why general rules in poker ca
I'm noticing what I believe to be the impact of GTO preflop training in my live player pool. There are a number of players who are "studied" but have little live experience. This lack of awareness of live dynamics (e.g. who the weaker recs are/what their leaks are postflop) is apparent when they auto-3bet in LP spots that might be more profitable as calls. In short, they'll 3bet a strong reg who folds/defends at the right frequency while effectively discouraging a weak rec from continuing (although sometimes the weak rec just overcalls the 3bet anyway). It's almost as if they're scared of multiway pots because they can't study them using the available tools. Sure they can't directly apply MDA either, since it's live and there's no mass data, but if they approximated MDA principles and focused on profitable post-flop scenarios, they might deviate more from 6 max GTO preflop strategy and make more $, plus create better games.
Maybe I've only played in soft af live games (mostly at 1/2 and 2/5) but I rarely see a "reg" thats not just 3betting JJ+ AQs+ and 4betting AA/KK lol. But I am one of those players that started out the game learning with a solver since im a nerd and now I can 100% say MDA is infinitely more useful than GTO as long as you understand some basic theory fundamentals. I was losing in 10 blitz for a while despite knowing how to x/r ob turned low pairs vs delayed cbets but couldn't figure why calling off AKo for 150bbs pre was a punt vs nits.
Ahhh... so mr overprobe also weakens the playback range. Gottit
MDA fo sure > GTO in the profitable sense. I just meant theoretically. MDA being essentially pool exploitation, and you don't get to understand what is exploitable without some basic understanding of GTO figures/principles first.
I can see how overplays will break the GTO mold ofc, almost to the point of oblivion. But would it be possible to teach a fresh poker novice min wage profitable play using MDA alone? I think that's an interesting question. Hunch says no. It's too complex. It's one of those things that sounds easy but to do it well is built on years of subconscious range construction.
I'm noticing what I believe to be the impact of GTO preflop training in my live player pool. There are a number of players who are "studied" but have little live experience. This lack of awareness of live dynamics (e.g. who the weaker recs are/what their leaks are postflop) is apparent when they auto-3bet in LP spots that might be more profitable as calls. In short, they'll 3bet a strong reg who folds/defends at the right frequency while effectively discouraging a weak rec from continuing (altho
I notice this as well when I play 1/2 live. You will have guys stacking off with AK preflop vs a 3bet because they probably studied some GTO preflop charts.
The problem is those charts don’t have the 3bet range as top 2% of hands with almost no fold equity. So the jam just becomes a punt and the player chalks it up to a cooler and never learns from his mistake.
