$600 live 3bet pot double barrel

I was in BB, missed that when I was typing it out

"Squeezing for pot control" makes no sense. The two concepts are diametrically opposed.

OK, let's see here:

-Preflop: You can't "squeeze for pot control" because squeezing by definition inflates the pot. You're also OOP so you can't pot control because you don't close the action. If you're going to squeeze, your goal is to get folds preflop or lower the SPR so you can more easily stack off when you hit. You should be going to something like 15k.

-Flop: OK to continue with range, I guess. Might continue smaller. Not really sure how to handle multi-way 3-bet pots against the players as described.

-Turn: What are you trying to get a maniac to fold? What do you think he has?

"tilted playing any two cards"

^^^ not very professional

My initial response was that your idea of "pot controlling" was a good one for this situation. You're oop versus two very unpredictable players - one who has a very nice reshove stack. And KQs plays nice multi way. So why not just flat pre and see what transpires?

I'm cool with the cbet otf ... as Nath said it's a little big but once he calls that big bet otf it feels like you got more out of line than he did honestly. He's calling a gutter and two overs. What are you doing punting into a maniac on this low board with KQ no draw? Obviously you think very highly of them which may be an indicator of how they feel about you if he's calling this wide?

It's important to know what your image is and try to focus on your mistakes not your opponents. They obviously don't care.

I meant that my range in this spot is much more narrow and value heavy than normal because of MP's ability post-flop I'm not taking the lighter 3-bet bluffs like AJo, KJo, KQo, QJ as much. However, we haven't been at the table long enough for the villains to realize that. I was trying to get heads up against MP, which obviously didn't happen. The way UTG had been playing he can have such a wide range calling the flop that has to fold the turn including his actual holding, but he called it off with A6 high.

You misplayed this hand on every street

So did UTG.

I don't see how UTG can call turn, because OP's bluffs are often big aces that have him crushed.

On the turn, aces have straight draws and pps have overpairs, but you have air. Kind of bad board to shove on, but the shove may not lose that much, as it should get a lot of folds. However, you knew UTG was a maniac.

Thanks for stating the obvious, water is wet and ice is cold as well.

In general I agree, but I would add that a big reason is because KQs is the kind of hand where 3-betting often folds out the unpaired hands you dominate and keeps the ones that dominate you in. We're happy when our opponents are in with QJs, KJo, etc.

Something like KTs is better because you can fold KJ and maybe even KQ/AT. Probably not at this table though.

I think if you're 3-betting this the objective is to take it down pre and you should go large. But I also wouldn't 3-bet this; if I've got a good read on bad players I don't want to ramp up the variance against them.

I kind of like the line post, it’s believable. Vs this type of player though can be useful to three barrel that way he gets to see all the cards which is mostly what he wants, just need to adjust sizings so river jam can make him fold.

As played think give up turn, we have other hands with more equity that we can rip here and table seems so soft it would be a shame to bust out.

Yeah, normally 3! big hands and bluffs which play OK / have blockers. This hand has value to call with and you can call easily in the BB.

The 3 wheel cards is not ideal to bluff, and it partly caused the light call with an ace. We also don't have much equity, except a K or Q is often good. It does look believable that you would shove on this board if you had 3! JJ-AA.

I agree that the line is believable. The problem is with the whole concept of running high-variance complex multi-street bluffs deep against maniacs who just don't fold. It's the opposite of how you should approach players like this, and that's compounded by the fact that losing a lot of chips or busting by doing this means you miss further opportunities to exploit them.

Ya agree. Ability to adjust to player types is really underrated skill.

Yeah, it is all the way back in Doyle's book. Don't make a fancy play against a fish. Don't bluff a calling station. He talked about some awful amateur who finished high in the ME back in the 1970s because people kept giving him chips by bluffing. You have a read that this guy is a maniac and decide to run a big bluff on him regardless.

There are other problems with the play, that this is not a standard hand to 3-bet and the connected Board.

However, 3-betting light and often going allin of the turn and a river in general should be very profitable in tournaments. You represent JJ+ or AK on an A or K high board, and it will be difficult for opponents to call down.

There is a lot of overcautious play in tournament, and in general aggressive play can be very profitable. Also, 3! squeeze shoves at people wanted to see the flop, playing back at cbettors in various ways, etc. However, you need to pick your spots.

Preflop is nonstandard, but not that bad. Normally, you don't want to 3! good hand you would have to fold to a 4! with. However, you are probably not getting 4! much here and your hand has good playability and blockers. Also, with the pro raising the fish's limp, it is likely neither of them have much of a hand. The limper should usually fold to the 3!, but not this limper.

Turn shove has a problem in that you are close to the bottom of your range on this board. You could be shoving AK/AQ with a straight draw and good overcards.

Ok, this is a sign we are really in a simulation.

I played the Venetian $600 this weekend and day 2C had 199 runners and 25 bagged.

Same exact numbers as OP, but he was in Florida....

Someone will be with you shortly.

I don’t hate this line. The 3! Pre is up for debate but I’m always fine with 3! Against someone capable of isolating light (if they have 2 mill in scores; they are playing aggro most likely).

as how hand played out- the call on turn by villain is comical. I think you just shrug and go damn I made a solid play but it didn’t work in a spot where I’m printing when I jam value. I do think like others said- you have to adjust to player types. If someone is a station, maybe want to bluff less.

I think turn, I would only continue with a diamond, K or Q. I think I would just shut down. I also wouldn’t cbet with a K Q or at least one diamond on the flop. The stack size is awkward here kinda so I can see why you jam turn. I think I would x turn and wave white flag in spot like this bc losing all of your chips when called isn’t worth it and you don’t have a lot of equity. Also would rather 3! KQo vs KQdd bc folding kqdd to a 4! Is painful. Utg limp
Is going to have some limp traps with hands like AA/KK/QQ here once in a while. Some bad players will limp these hands from utg and then play face up.

The 3! Is fine with me but most people will be anti 3! This hand bc you kinda have to fold to a 4! Or 4! Jam. I like 3! Bc you normally play a pot headsup. I think in tournies- people don’t recognize how easy it is to win with bluffs etc vs 1 Gillian instead of 2-3 seeing a flop. I always like more aggro lines bc we can bluff when we don’t hit by just cbetting small and maybe throwing in some double or triple barrels at times. Small cbets vs one villain as a bluff is printing money. Make people guess when we have value or pure bluffs.

Oop vs maniac and tilted reg this is gonna be a pure call for me. I’d prefer to 3b this IP for value.

Sure this looks like a squeeze spot teed up but the reads make this a call. This is a special maniac where your fold equity is almost zero. That means you pretty much gotta remove 3b bluffs from your range especially OOP. Is KQs good enough for value? Yes but I want to be IP.

I def do agree with this.

As hand played out, I would want to puke bc a6 seems like such a lol meh call. I think I would just shrug it off and say I played it ok and pick up a solid pot when villain does fold a6 there which is what is supposed to happen.

I agree with everyone here that posted that this is not a move you make against a known maniac, especially OOP and don't have much to add.

But the fact that you describe V as calling quickly here may mean you have a tell that V has picked up on. As described, V does seem like the player who is more likely than the average player to be looking for tells.

I like the 3bet vs described villain. We want to easily get stacks in if we flop top pair and thats going to be hard oop multiway in a single raised pot.

Flop cbet is fine but you have to check/fold the turn now unimproved.

Some pros do play crazy during late reg in these large field multi Day 1 tourneys with the goal of building a big stack or reentering.

Don't try to get them to fold on that run out