2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
The general cadence of the debate is markedly differently than the beginning. Vance came out attacking (effectively) but is now almost Kumbaya with Walz. This is a grown-up way to debate but I think a negative for Vance/Trump overall.
Yeah. Harris, Vance and Walz could all sit down and have a normal discussion. Trump would be flinging poo in the corner.
I was trying to figure out the right way to sum this debate up and I think bolded is exactly it
Vance is definitely abandoning the MAGA schtick in favor of relatability and bipartisanship which…..weirdly hurts his brand
Vance has performed in a way that impresses me immensely, which I have to imagine isn’t a good thing for trump
I’m glad I’m not the only one that notices this. If Vance is running for president in 2028, this was a great performance. But for running for VP in 2024 it’s not so great.
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The general cadence of the debate is markedly differently than the beginning. Vance came out attacking (effectively) but is now almost Kumbaya with Walz. This is a grown-up way to debate but I think a negative for Vance/Trump overall.
This is an interesting perspective, but you have to remember that Vance is playing to the pool of people who watch VP debates. That pool is more politically informed and wonkish than the electorate at large (which is why VP debates tend to be more substantive). Within twelve hours of leaving the debate, he will be back to spewing crazy lies to the hard core crowd.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that notices this. If Vance is running for president in 2028, this was a great performance. But for running for VP in 2024 it’s not so great.
Vance will never be elected POTUS IMO. If they lose, MAGA will blame him. If they win he'll have to run on more Trump disasters and law breaking.
I was trying to figure out the right way to sum this debate up and I think bolded is exactly it
Vance is definitely abandoning the MAGA schtick in favor of relatability and bipartisanship which…..weirdly hurts his brand
Vance has performed in a way that impresses me immensely, which I have to imagine isn’t a good thing for trump
vance went from 3:1 dog pre-debate to favorite to win debate currently. how does that hurt his brand or trump? feels like bending over backwards logic "jd is making *too much* sense its gonna hurt his party"
certainly if he tanked with more mountain dew jokes everyone would've laughed him off and assured a trump loss
Walz's ACA rebuttal was magnificent. Easily his best of the debate.
vance went from 3:1 dog pre-debate to favorite to win debate currently. how does that hurt his brand or trump? feels like bending over backwards logic "jd is making *too much* sense its gonna hurt his party"
certainly if he tanked with more mountain dew jokes everyone would've laughed him off and assured a trump loss
Well winning a debate is different from winning the post-debate soundbite PR game. I’m sure there will be a supercut of Vance saying “I actually agree with Governor Walz on this”.
He actually sounds more like a blue dog democrat from 2004 than a MAGA patriot in this debate, so you might be right.
He was clearly angling to be a post Trump republican but Trump didnt go away even after Jan 6th so he figured f it and went MAga or maybe was told by Thiel etc.
Republicans are going to hammer Walz about his ACA individual mandate support comment. Vance tried to do so immediately but was cut off for time by the moderator.
They should make these candidates sing the national anthem individually at these debates. They should have to do it an unknown time during the debate.
walz has a vacant panicked face at this point. literally frowning atm. this pains me because i both expected and wanted him to dominate tonight
vance pledges support to socialism to help childcare
If i was on the harris campaign id pull every trick to prevent a vp debate - not because i think walz isnt capable, but that a neutral debate boosts trump. There is no upside for dems here after the last drbate unless its a home run. But it would also be a horseshit move to pull because the people should have the opp to listen to the VPs
That is a blatant lie by Vance. He specifically said that he would not have certified the 2020 election.
lol LIFELONG LEADERS in the democrat coalition!
its unreal how much of these debates are determined by body language and demeanor. almost doesn't matter what you say. walz looks shook
vance went from 3:1 dog pre-debate to favorite to win debate currently. how does that hurt his brand or trump? feels like bending over backwards logic "jd is making *too much* sense its gonna hurt his party"
certainly if he tanked with more mountain dew jokes everyone would've laughed him off and assured a trump loss
Trump’s message for 6 years is that the Dems are socialist ****heads who are going to force you to get sex changes during 3rd grade in your school etc etc etc basically stirring up violent tendencies to SAVE YOUR COUNTRY
Vance, for the first time since being named the running mate, is speaking like an adult. And for the first time since being named running mate seems comfortable and human speaking. And he’s doing so ignoring the MAGA imbeciliry that the name brand people are willing to peddle and is constantly saying things like ‘I agree with Governor walz’ or ‘I believe Governor walz wants to help’ which runs in direct contrast with every word of trump’s messaging
Vance has shown tonight he isn’t comfortable pretending he’s some MAGA disphit and understands that demonizing the other side of the aisle isn’t how the country progresses. Whether it’s a one night only thing it’s a fascinating glimpse, and it’s in stark contrast to what Trump and the MAGAts believe, which hurts the MAGA brand
walz has a vacant panicked face at this point. literally frowning atm. this pains me because i both expected and wanted him to dominate tonight
Why did you expect Walz to dominate? I fully expected Vance to be more polished and well-spoken and I fully expected Walz to be more relatable. That's pretty much what happened.
