Very unorthodox first hand

Against this player type we can assume very little fold equity making Jack high a very bad hand to limp raise with. I think I would just open for my normal size with this hand and look to play post flop. JTs is definitely a good enough hand multiway, when we smash the flop we're gonna be happy that we have multiple opponents. If I had something like AJo+ 88+ I would take the limp raise line facing this action preflop and just use absolutely massive sizings to make sure we get it HU.

Once you let the raise stand I would of just called. It's fine to take your hand 5 ways. I prefer that over l/rr'ing to 90 by far.

I would of just raised my normal 20, and if the button 3bets we can fold. Most likely it would of still been 4 or 5 players anyway.

After 2 limps in the CO I would just overlimp but I'm passive like that.

I mean, I get our thinking here with the LRR attempt cuz this is like almost never a monster by the button and no one else was limping a monster either. But one of the reasons I almost never get out-of-line with my LRR is that bad players can still just easily call with dominating hands. So I'd be cool with our plan with JJ/TT. But I'd probably just fold JTs cuz I don't like the RIO this multiway to an awkward SPR of ~7 (although I don't think a call is horrendous or anything).

Gbut,I'magiantnit,sothere'sthatG

Yeah, what I mean is I'm cool being in a very large SPR pot cuz even though we have some RIO we'll have three streets / ~position / skillz to hopefully figure things out decently enough. But as soon as the SPR starts decreasing then it starts handcuffing the decision masking process. The better you are at making correct decisions at early commitment thresholds the more you continue, but otherwise I think a nitty fold to avoid these spots is defendable.

GcluelessNLnoobG

You guys only limp raise TT+ AK? Button made a weak iso and there’s a huge fish in the sb. This is a dream spot with any playable hand and this hand fits the bill.

Going to an SPR lol 1.5 pot with J high when the whale easily has all the dominating Jx/Tx hands isn't a dream spot (even if he does let us off the hook a lot like he did here).

GimoG

With no reads on any of our opponents, if the BTN acted out of turn, and went to raise small, I think it's better to stop the action, put in our $20 raise, and go from there.

My reasoning is that some players will just auto-raise the BTN really wide when action folds to them, and the small raise size is generally an indicator of a weak hand. It's at least somewhat likely that he folds to our $20 raise, and we get to play the rest of the hand IP.

If we had a big PP or AKs that wants to play a big pot, go ahead and limp, let his $12 raise stand, then put in an obnoxiously large back-raise. Just be careful not to let opponents see that you noticed the out of turn action, which might lead them to over-folding rather than calling, or calling with some big hands that are praying you back-raise.

JTs is one of the worse hands to limp reraise with or 4bet and one of the best to call with and play a multiway pot.

Just play your game and raise as much as you would with your raise. If villain 3bets and he's not 3betting as much as he ought to, easy fold, next hand. Otherwise, you can call.