JJ 3b pot in position vs thinking good player
So villain is decent, seems to be one of the better players.
stack sizes $500 eff 1/3
UTG opens $15, fold x3 , hero 3b JJ to 45, folds to villain he calls
POT - $93
FLOP 234r
x, hero bet $30, call
$153
TURN Tx
x, hero?
Is this a mandatory turn bet here? Vs most 1/3 players who can’t fold anything 55-99 here i think it is, but vs a good player, will he be more likely to call a bet check bet line instead? I know i take a chance of a bad river vs Ax.
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Why allow overcards to see the river for free? It's not like you're going to be getting called often on the river by Ax.
You’re not getting 3 streets with geometric sizing so you can do anything OTF. I prefer X back or bet bigger to jam some turns. We can put 55/66/AK/AQ in a terrible spot if we pot flop jam turn on blanks.
Bet turn as played because he will have a lot of AK/AQ you want to get value from and has 10 outs on you but dislike flop sizing.
most of your range here is unpaired hands. with that range i assume you would want to check flop, big big on turn if checked to, and bet bigger on lots of rivers (as a bluff). seems like that would be wise here too.
i think a good question most NL players should ask themselves postflop is - "what does most of my range consist of on this board, and what would i do with it?"
I' assume he had AK, AQ and bet to cut off pot odds.
Bet 1.5x pot
Bigger flop bet.
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most of your range here is unpaired hands. with that range i assume you would want to check flop, big big on turn if checked to, and bet bigger on lots of rivers (as a bluff). seems like that would be wise here too.
i think a good question most NL players should ask themselves postflop is - "what does most of my range consist of on this board, and what would i do with it?"
i actually think checking back flop and then either calling turn and river (or bet) makes the most sense. Like u said on the flop i’ll have a ton of AT-AK and other unpaired; i will not be getting any folds from the majority of pop so xb whole range is the way to go i think?.
Appreciate all the replies - in game i actually xb turn, and river was Tx, villain checked again, i tank bet $75 and he eventually called 77.
i actually think checking back flop and then either calling turn and river (or bet) makes the most sense. Like u said on the flop i’ll have a ton of AT-AK and other unpaired; i will not be getting any folds from the majority of pop so xb whole range is the way to go i think?.
Appreciate all the replies - in game i actually xb turn, and river was Tx, villain checked again, i tank bet $75 and he eventually called 77.
i think if you check flop and bet turn/river huge you get looked up a lot by any pair and maybe AK because it looks like a bluff.
there is another advantage. you save some when the turn comes an A, K or 5 and you can just fold to a bet.
i honestly think at 1/3 your best default play in HU pots you raise pf is to check back any boards that look like they dont hit you, whether you have anything or not, and bet Ax/Kx/Qx boards with 100% of your range.
population always puts you on AK. stereotype but its true.
With no other dead money in the pot and facing a UTG raise this deep, I'd lean more to flatting preflop but I'm passive like that.
I'm cool with the flop.
Think I'd mostly lean to a check back on the turn to snap off a river bet / bet ourselves if checked to.
ETA: Just realized the SPR is 5 due to the 3bet preflop. Very awkward spot versus a decent player. Against terrible players you could argue we are committed and play for stacks postflop. But against solid players if we get in stacks postflop in a 3bet pot we're never ahead (especially if we have a remotely nitty image), so I don't attempt to commit here (and so I'm fine with a small cbet / checkback turn / have final tiny bet go in on safe rivers).
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