grinders future outlook
High-stakes is like just a dream few people succeed getting into , the variance will mostly crush you at around nl2k which happened to me and therefore I sort of gave up on something which seemed rather fueled by illusion rather than reality.
Realizing this was one of the important turning points of my career where I came more aware on the EV of the seat I sit at rather than trying to "battle" at whatever the game is.
In poker you pay a fee called the rake. This means if you are not having a very significant edge over your opponent you are losing money playing that game.
You might perceive yourself very high but if you run in your game hundreds of buy-ins below your EV would you view yourself the same?
I encountered a period like this and I did also look back into hands played in the past judging them terribly misplayed.
My favourite game is a game of headsup with an OMC who folds as many of his buttons as possible.
We can play plo , plo5 or holdem and it still remains my favorite game.
You get old.
You grow a bit of a beer belly.
You get a bit banned from the 2+2s.
But your still the same guy you want to give something back.
You won a lot of money.
I won a lot of money.
Its a great thing.
I only won half a million max over this time and most of it is gone already.
Life is expensive.
Life is expensive.
Many people wonder how to become professional at poker how to beat the stakes how to get there
Answer is simple you need to find the one who wants you to get there you need to give him something you need a coach (assuming your a nl25/50) winner
Secondly you need to go to an environment where there is no "issues" like my friend wants us to chill on this cool bar thing or my mother wants me to do this
Mostly it is you need to move far away
You need a personality that wants only very few things
You need a wife who support you
You need to be hard to yourself you need to look at your hands and think what were the mistakes even you don't see them and your winning the **** out of the field
You need to give up everything for one thing and then you can have it
You need to understand you compete with people whose life depends on this
You need to understand this is not like becoming a YouTuber posting videos of remote places everyone wants to see
This game is a grind of hundreds of thousands of hands leading to millions of f-u-c-k-i-n-g hands
There will be stretches that are not likeable in terms of the results this means you will be having breaking even years (online players)
Question with becoming pro player or not is like question of being a pussy or not needing something to fall back on to and not wanting to feel stressed and so on
Quickest and best way to become an poker pro is somehow gather the knowledge and get there to crush your 2/5 ring somewhere in wherever reality is if you can do that its hard find an higher hourly anywhere playing poker ,,, its possible but it is hard ...
So whatever it is ( unless it comes down to taking shots to high-stakes with a too short bankroll ) you are a whimp and you should do it
Nl1k online required bankroll = 200k usd
Nl2k online required bankroll = 750k usd
These are only minimums , the stress puts 95% of guys to a disadvantage to the tables biggest winners with 4M+ networths who don't give a damn about pushing you around
So this is really what it is and coach will always say everything is possible to sell coaching but you guys to get there to high-stakes you need miracles (unless its just a scam) playing a bit with some stake or money that is invest to it to sell coaching etc...
Nl10k what r the bankroll requirements?
USD 20M
I was fooled by the industry and a certain team to think poker is easy you can exploit you can get to high-stakes etc. but unfortunately its a gigantic lie which targets people to pay for coaching and stick around
Plenty of the "exploits" was stuff I needed to question and let go over the years of leaving such a scum house because they simply did not work and people were just catching up
Highest value coaching would coach how to crush 2/5 live
it would give a person higher hourly than what playing 8 tables of online 2/5 would give
And it is more sustainable to sit at one table instead of 8 tables
Most things are just tricks and lies by people who want you to buy their product
I would never buy anything from anyone being at this level
And for a nl100 player someone who beats nl500 is the perfect coach you dont need anyone beating high-stakes
And for a nl500 player the High-stakes coaches should be just taken by grain of salt as scums mostly because they are not able to really give such an amount of value that one could become step better player at least it was my experience playing nl500/1k already - coaching was **** for that level of player and I think it will always be in those CFPs because they want to keep you there
Therefore we see blips of variance , few CFP players popping with good nl2k+ results etc but how rare is all this?
Its very rare practically speaking hardly ever happens
This is all great stuff and very accurate for most people
There is really loser guys paying % of their monthly to be part of some group they consider their friends which comes with an abusive nature of the coach taking a great cut this was something I care across realizing during my time in the CFP and obviously GTFO immediately
Its Like the way Lemon summarized these deals too full exploit on some idiots
So how I really would want to adress : people who are in some sort of coaching contract you should evaluate all the time if you want to be on it and if not if there is no legal consequences of leaving it you should definitely leave it
2nd : consider your time in a CFP contract as an investment towards yourself don't be there to make friends or to consider yourself being perhaps promoted to be a future coach (common trick)
Think carefully what your choosing to pay and for what exactly + if you got the value you wanted and there is no legal concerns to be considered I would highly suggest to leave ASAP.
Some guys go very far no doubt
Its always like this . Exceptional talents go very far .
To others we got a cap somewhere and coaches trying sell u a dream you can become whatever you want (as long as you pay me)...
It sucks . But its the truth .
Variance plays bigger role if u don't charge plenty of guys for coaching them some **** .
Then you might realize your just a real mid-stakes grinder and you shouldn't really play nl2k...
Nl10K what a joke
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Open to watch / shootout to real coaches :
the positive : mechanics of poker , he is at top of his game explains unusual hands and concepts at a level that is not usually free content
the Russian stuff : avrora etc. overall valuable to watch , being translated and spoken in weird way makes it hard to swallow but its much more better than for example the well known RAISEYOUREDEBG BenlJbtqt Bena German accent dude who knows everything
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if i would want to buy coaching I would buy Mechanics of poker
who are the top 5 most trash coaches?
Do you have a mix tape available? Would like to listen to some Dj 11
1) carrot school when dude opens his mouth of any equilibrium or real theory concept you can just laugh at it he has no clue
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if we speak of serious coaching its like couple stables
mechanics of poker- not sure what they offer right now
bitb - not sure what they offer right now
guerilla poker - not sure what they offer right now
raiseyouredge- can probably be taken seriously for tournaments only
russians - not sure what they offer right now
but i rather ask this okay coaching stables how do you take this forever mid-stakes player who easily runs 170 buy-ins below EV to be believing in investing in your products to be paying for them to be getting to high-stakes???
How much I need to pay to learn those things??
Ive already done 2 years of CFP by these HS players.
My friends I discuss poker with have done about the same.
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Whenever I ask BigBananas of my hands he thinks they are very standard played.
It is serious but a wheel cant be re-invented again.
These stables are running on an empty tank right now.
There is very little they can really offer or give to someone making 40-50k / year they need to change to coach people who play nl50 and below
Or they just run on their machine on letting old guys coach newcomers and charge newcomers and pay old guys a little bit like a corporation business
Lies and hopes based on enthusiasm should not be monetarized
But this is grind life this is hard life this is thug life this is never give up never gona ever gona ever gona give up life you gonna thug life yougona hard life we play zoom life we know it all life we grind life this month we play 18000 hands our EV is up for an respected amount but we are not winning it
do you listen to tupac while u grind?
I cant listen to music its really just me staring at the screen
just like that
I really don't want you ban me from here
Really was 2022 many years ago very hard life you know what im saying
This thread aint about saying bad about nobody
Dont throw me away I aint done nothing wrong man
black lives matters
But this is grind life this is hard life this is thug life this is never give up never gona ever gona ever gona give up life you gonna thug life yougona hard life we play zoom life we know it all life we grind life this month we play 18000 hands our EV is up for an respected amount but we are not winning it
When you have a good session, graph looks nice too hehe, your mood changes and you want to post it, always nice feeling, wish you more of these, go go thug life
variance in my 1M+ sample graph (apps not included ran normal there) live poker not included i cant graph that one
first 250k hands I played so bad I did not deserve to win - looked at those hands again thinking how it is even possible to play so bad
well I wanted to prove something at the time bought some expensive things and went mentally nuts 2022 it was a little bit after the covid 19 isolations and things like that which did not do too much good to my mental health
Well its not really that much to cry about like Ive won money from poker ups and downs , should be always about your own risk appetite , it is gambling do not expect to win non stop or something
But its a 1M hands graph EV bb around 5 so I can be proud of it
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But yeah some ill expectations threw me to insanity and it was not easy to come back mentally but I did it...
So this is just a word of whatsoever warning / cautionary tale for people who think poker is everything... or like their competition is everything... its really not ...
It doesn't matter if you cant beat nl10 you are good enough
Dont beat yourself up that's the only real message here
Spend time with family and friends and never give up on them
keep fighting keep going life is not in the tables
Lol obviously you want to win and poker is tilting **** game
but you cant really set things like Im gonna be nl40k crusher its the variance dictating whose gonna make it there like at high-stakes
must be like plenty of religious people taking such risks to even play there
I am a believer but definitely far from religious
I believe that it would be good if all other people would be rule following and nice so I would be able to be above them and say im the pope or king or whatsoever
Nice little 2/5 session right there!
Meditated for 30minutes before it
Cut my nails
Cum my hair
And had a little ice-bath
wrapping it up for today!
This hand is quite interesting.
Fun player on sb. Reg on BB.
Hero flop strategy should be in my opinion polarized.
So check back is to balance the checking range.
If this hand bets flop small two pairs bet flop big and so on the checking range is just second pairs and worse this means the Reg can just bluff me off very profitably.
Value is limited.
Turn same concept.
River he bets big.
Because I played flop protectively I think his bet is too thin for that size 3 way without a kicker.
I will be calling with top pair folding 100% of my 2nd pairs 3 way and am very confident it is the right way to play it.
If you want to just bet small this hand on flop and have no balanced checking range when rec. is playing is an interesting question. BB would gain EV if I would do that and as said the value is very limited.
So a GTO guy might RNG the flop between c-bet / check back. (and waste time to think of something quite indifferent).
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I am totally wrong about the river.
I don't have him beat often enough that his hand would not be a valuebet.
He will get called by SB often enough that he can justify this size of a bet and it is about the Max EV size.
There is a contradiction in your rhetoric of the A7 play.
You mention that you would fold every hand weaker than an ace to villains bet OTR, implying that the spot is massively underbluffed. I think that is a correct observation.
If that is true, then why do we check this hand down to the river? Since we induce little value from bluffs, we miss out on a potential valuebet on the flop but especially the turn. So the only benefit of a double check is pot control in this case at the cost of missing value and giving free equity. Sure we can valuebet when checked to OTR, however there are quite a few action killing cards and also hands that would pay the flop/turn but not river.
There is a lot of value in mixing ranges well so that weaker regs mistakenly discount certain hands from your range as happens here. But ultimately money is made with value betting and I think the cost is just too high here.
No. I started to think about IP bluffing.
Basically when played on some soft 2/5 live-games these spots where just absolute money prints vs players who fold the ace at some point to multi barrel.
Sure there is fun players who cant fold any top pairs both online and live but I don't think its very common these days.
I assume the EV to IP comes from the sb just being there with wrong range and making mistakes so IPs strategy should just be whatever that exploits the fish hardest. If its a small cbet strategy on flop or playing more like I played the hand is not something that I know to answer by certainty , think both plays have merits.
As for 3 way on river I think calling a 2nd pair vs BB big bet is a mistake it is something im like 95% sure of as my intuition is to snap fold those hands.
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I used a comb to cum my hair. Oh no comb my hair. She combed her hair. He cum his hair. Oh no . WTF.
This is why you’re stuck at 2/5.
