Freedom of Speech
It seems like freedom of speech is becoming more and more of a pertinent topic. Policy in the UK has them trying to “fight against misinformation” by arresting people who have said things online. Misinformation has been incredibly powerful here in the US as implemented by Russia and even our own government. There is seemingly a new misinformation campaign daily on Twitter. With the rise of AI agents and the ability to deploy autonomous armies becoming more eminent and the obvious success of past misinformation campaigning this new paradigm isn’t likely to change anytime soon.
The UK solution seems more authoritarian than anything and not something I would ever want. A core feature of many low quality of life countries is reduced freedoms of speech and information. Turkey just banned Discord. In the other hand, this endless stream of bullshit is likely making peoples lives worse as well. How many fox viewers are paranoid and terrified of boogeymen? How many people are exhausted and fried from fighting against the endless waves of misinformation?
My opinion is that the internet is the single greatest invention ever. It connects person to person, in real time, across the whole globe while providing the culmination of human history to your finger tips. But I’d also liken it to when Johnny Mnemonic downloaded 120 gigs into his 60 gig brain chip.
So what can be done? Is there a way we can train a population to be more adept at identifying bullshit? Should the government do anything to help alleviate the issue?
Freedom of Speech is the bedrock of democracy which is why in America, the First Amendment is Freedom of Speech.
If a government refuses to allow free speech, that would be communism.
No one said it better than Elon Musk who preserved our Freedom of Speech when he took over Twitter. Elon's full speech from last Saturday:
Broken YouTube Linkits tricky, but i think you just have to let people get on with it
and when they start doing wacky things like burning down 5g towers to prevent the spread of cancer then stick them in prison
Freedom of Speech is the bedrock of democracy which is why in America, the First Amendment is Freedom of Speech.
If a government refuses to allow free speech, that would be communism.
No one said it better than Elon Musk who preserved our Freedom of Speech when he took over Twitter. Elon's full speech from last Saturday:
Elon Musk is a key figure in this discussion, using his purchase of twitter to "champion free speech" while boosting right wing misinformation talking points. Hes also established an extremely controversial Super PAC. I also believe hes stifled conversations he doesn't like on the platform as well.
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Seems like this lawsuit is touching on the free speech issue as well. They are trying to frame it as similar to gambling but ultimately its a video platform and free speech has to be pertinent.
Elon Musk is a key figure in this discussion, using his purchase of twitter to "champion free speech" while boosting right wing misinformation talking points. Hes also established an extremely controversial Super PAC. I also believe hes stifled conversations he doesn't like on the platform as well.
Seems like this lawsuit is touching on the free speech issue as well. They are trying to frame it
I would agree Elon talks a good game on free speech but is guilty of censoring stuff he doesn't like.
There was a time when folks like the ACLU and the Dems were champions of free speech sadly no more. Look at Hilary on Smerconish last week talking about they need to monitor speech
Here in Canada we have Justin censoring free speech as well which is sad
Leaving the misinformation aspect aside for a moment, if I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say, "Free speech has to do with government not restricting speech. Private companies can do whatever they want." Okay, but it doesn't address the problem.
Leaving the misinformation aspect aside for a moment, if I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say, "Free speech has to do with government not restricting speech. Private companies can do whatever they want." Okay, but it doesn't address the problem.
one of the problems is when you have government telling private companies what they want censored
one of the problems is when you have government telling private companies what they want censored
If you have a solution, go ahead and share it. I don't think a viable one exists. Some of these sites were manufactured with government assistance, and as soon as a platform reaches a certain level of traffic, government influence is virtually inevitable.
It seems like freedom of speech is becoming more and more of a pertinent topic. Policy in the UK has them trying to “fight against misinformation” by arresting people who have said things online.misinformation?
the real fight should be against the attempted control on 'Misinformation'...
free speech isn't free without the ability to make mistakes, lie or yield and opposing opinion.
it should NEVER be illegal to Lie or spew mis-truths.
the ultimate goal for this attempted alignment in 'information' is one of Control... because not all truths are created equal.
the real fight should be against the attempted control on 'Misinformation'...
free speech isn't free without the ability to make mistakes, lie or yield and opposing opinion.
it should NEVER be illegal to Lie or spew mis-truths.
the ultimate goal for this attempted alignment in 'information' is one of Control... because not all truths are created equal.
Libel and fraud? Generally speaking, I'm with you. Giving a high authority the power to determine truth is a setup for disaster. What are your opinions on bots and foreign actors?
Freedom of Speech is the bedrock of democracy which is why in America, the First Amendment is Freedom of Speech.
If a government refuses to allow free speech, that would be communism.
A government in a capitalist society can ban free speech in the same regard as a communist society. Free speech laws doesn't change the economic end of a system.
The US has already taken a much firmer stance on what is allowed in regards to the internet - but we are still nowhere near China or even the UK. Sure, it sucks that a lot of the flat earth videos are gone and that the ones still there have a warning label on em but we still have a lot more freedoms than most places.
Freedom of speech isn't some gift like free internet porn, it's how we communicate ideas to make advancements, or to **** **** up while having fun doing it. The downside is that it can get people to think that the World Trade Center was vaporised with magic materials.
Freedom of Speech is the bedrock of democracy which is why in America, the First Amendment is Freedom of Speech.
If a government refuses to allow free speech, that would be communism.
No one said it better than Elon Musk who preserved our Freedom of Speech when he took over Twitter. Elon's full speech from last Saturday:
If freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy, why didn’t they include it in the original constitution? lol You know what an amendment is right?
Not that I disagree with you that freedom of speech is really important, but what you’re citing doesn’t show that. The structure and delegation of powers was more important to the founders than freedom of speech.
I think it's worthless to talk about this in the abstract, because you get nonsense stuff like Musk being a "free speech absolutist" then suing a media company for saying bad stuff about...
Are free speech bros Okay with that? Or how about 2 election workers winning a 100 million dollar lawsuit against Rudy G because he kept accusing them of election fraud? Musk's lawsuit seems totally frivolous since it doesn't seem like Media Matters said anything untrue. But they still lose by having to spend 100s of thousands to millions in court. The Rudy G case seems much more reasonable. These women did nothing wrong, Rudy lied about it over and over again in front of millions and it greatly impacted their lives.
I think it's worthless to talk about this in the abstract, because you get nonsense stuff like Musk being a "free speech absolutist" then suing a media company for saying bad stuff about...
Besides the fact that his actions have contradicted that phrase, what a ridiculous position. Who in their right mind is a free speech absolutist? Slogans...
I think it's worthless to talk about this in the abstract, because you get nonsense stuff like Musk being a "free speech absolutist" then suing a media company for saying bad stuff about...
There's a difference between someone randomly stating their opinion and the defamation of someone's business or character. You can't yell shots fired or bomb in a crowded subway station or fire in a movie theater and then say it was your first amendment right.
Or how about 2 election workers winning a 100 million dollar lawsuit against Rudy G because he kept accusing them of election fraud? Musk's lawsuit seems totally frivolous since it doesn't seem like Media Matters said anything untrue. But they still lose by having to spend 100s of thousands to millions in court. The Rudy G case seems much more reasonable. These women did nothing wrong, Rudy lied about it over and over again in front of millions and it greatly impacted their lives.
The justice system is rigged in favor of the DS which has been in their control, as was the media and most internet platforms. Rudy, Lin Wood and others who were all victims of being thrown out of society by the DS only because they tried to bring evidence of election fraud to court but they refused to look at it claiming they had no standing. Instead, they're bar's were taken away and their lives were ruined (just like they've been trying to do to Trump).
It seems like freedom of speech is becoming more and more of a pertinent topic. Policy in the UK has them trying to “fight against misinformation” by arresting people who have said things online. Misinformation has been incredibly powerful here in the US as implemented by Russia and even our own government. There is seemingly a new misinformation campaign daily on Twitter. With the rise of AI agents and the ability to deploy autonomous armies becoming more eminent and the obvious success of past
One idea being put forth by a liberal politics streamer Destiny is that we should make it so that anyone with a certain amount of following online should either be unmasked or they should have to disclose their funding sources. Basically we should know if a person like EndWokeness is being paid by some foreign entity.
One idea being put forth by a liberal politics streamer Destiny is that we should make it so that anyone with a certain amount of following online should either be unmasked or they should have to disclose their funding sources. Basically we should know if a person like EndWokeness is being paid by some foreign entity.
Destiny is smart and quick on his feet, but he has some bad ideas.
If you have a solution, go ahead and share it. I don't think a viable one exists.
don't allow government to police what they deem misinformation on privately owned media
with "misinformation" hype exploding lockstep with covid, anti-1stAmendmenters somehow were able to sell misinformation as a mind virus that could only be contained by locking down and quarantining the infected speech. it doesn't work like that. people aren't stupid, and even stupid people aren't stupid in all facets, and it's counterproductive when you disallow the expression of an idea they sympathize with: it
and they go amplify their views in person or on laxer platforms. letting all information out into the sunlight is the best antidote
as soon as a platform reaches a certain level of traffic, government influence is virtually inevitable.
not really.. major newspapers had equivalent levels of national traffic/reach. government rhetoric control (explicit) never would've flown, and you definitely wouldn't have had a party running on that platform.
Do you think it should be illegal to lie about election day?
i don't know what that means but would definitely oppose any law that blanket says "it's illegal to lie about election day"
We should start enacting laws that prosecutes and jails those who lie on election day. Its the only way.
not really.. major newspapers had equivalent levels of national traffic/reach. government rhetoric control (explicit) never would've flown, and you definitely wouldn't have had a party running on that platform.
There was no "traffic" in the old days; just consumers. When it comes to "reach," of course there were government actors influencing what got printed and made the nightly news, but that directly relates to freedom of the press, not the voices of individuals. Social media is a horse of a different color.
and it's counterproductive when you disallow the expression of an idea they sympathize with: it
and they go amplify their views in person or on laxer platforms. letting all information out into the sunlight is the best antidoteI went into "Matt Foley" mode in the last post. Oops. Anyway, have you considered the possibility that the intention of some platforms censoring certain ideas and stories isn't to actually hide or discredit them?
