Banana practices folding
1/3 NLHE 9 handed.
V1 - Tight older white man. Betting range always seems to be very premium but limp calls a lot of trash and bleeds down. Losing player for sure. Uses large sizings with him big hands. UTG+1. 200$.
V2 - Bad loose passive rec that talks a big game but actually sucks. The kind of guy that thinks he's a genius when he wins a pot but just got unlucky when he loses. Doesn't run huge bluffs and mostly limp calls pre but always straddles. 4-bet shoved 22 earlier for 600$ pre and got lucky the 3-bettor had AK, ran it twice and they chopped. UTG. ~300$.
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V2 straddles 6, V1 opens 25, folds to H on the button who covers both and sees A♣ K♠ and just calls, V2 calls - 3 ways IP.
Flop 75 - A♠ 9♥ 8♣
check, V1 looks displeased and checks, I bet 35, V2 shoves 282 total, V1 folds, Hero folds.
Don't abuse AK like this ever again please. It's literally the 3rd best hand in poker and blocks #1, #2.
Would also appreciate advice on how to deal with players like V2. Basically a narcissist. Every hand someone is in - even if he isnt in the hand - he'll make snide indirect remarks like "only a moron can call on THAT river" right after you called river and won with a bluffcatcher or something.
I like flatting AK in this exact situation.
Post I guess I fold if he's actually passive but then he apparently shipped 22 preflop for $600 so I snap call. Would need more information to fold e.g. plays like a spaz monkey preflop but only ships TPTK+ post, something like that.
On dealing with people like this at the table, I let low level stuff go but I'd probably call his remarks out. Not saying its the best way to deal with it, but IME most people, if you give it straight back to them calmly, they usually back down. Or assuming he's a well known dickhead, you can make fun of them and get the whole table to laugh at them.
Depends on the person though, some people will just double down, if he's that kind of guy I'd probably just change tables if he's annoying you, life's too short to go war with bitter regs.
I would fold here too. It’s such a big jam and you’re 3 ways. Maybe I’d call if there was a flush draw. He probably doesn’t take this line with JT or 76, so it just has to be AQ or AJ that is spazzing for AK to be ahead.
This looks like 98 to me. Or maybe he has AK too.
3-bet pre, and I'm never folding to a guy who shoved 22 pre for $600 w/ AK on this flop. Never.
Would also appreciate advice on how to deal with players like V2. Basically a narcissist. Every hand someone is in - even if he isnt in the hand - he'll make snide indirect remarks like "only a moron can call on THAT river" right after you called river and won with a bluffcatcher or something.
I love these players. So easy to tilt. To the above, I'd say something like, "Better a wealthy moron than a loser." Just quip right back at him every time, or smile and nod -- agree with everything he says. Or say, "Thank you." Just figure out what gets to him.
I call flop.
Against $h1t-talkers at the table, when their talk is directed at me, I just agree with them, whatever they say.
Yep, I'm terrible. Easy to bluff. Total station. Scared money. Worst player in here.
It works best if you say it while stacking chips after dragging a pot and not even looking at them, like you're talking to the chips.
If the talk is directed at rec-fish, I quietly tell the fish to ignore the talk, they did nothing wrong, they played it fine, etc. I may start needling the trash talker when I see a good opportunity.
If the talker seems like he's otherwise a good reg and may just be tilted, I'll ask him to step away from the table with me, and dress him down for tapping the glass in a juicy game.
Given the high casino rakes these days, I strongly prefer 3b! preflop in this situation 50 bb deep. I'm happy to take this down preflop.
I don't respond to trash talk at all, but everyone has their own style.
3-bet preflop. Never flat call against short stacks. You should only flat-call with AK preflop when the stacks are deep.
AP, Call
Trash talker? Just agree with everything they say.
Calling the shove.
I think preflop is pretty close between raise/fold ... call is probably slightly worse, but not by a lot.
V1 checking this flop with JJ-KK or whatever is exactly why call pre sucks.
Would bet smaller, would kind of assume fish has two pair and lean fold but I guess there's some chance he has AQ (or even AJ) and thinks it's the nuts or is shoving JT/76/whatever. Again, seems close and I don't hate either call or fold depending on any other reads about how he might be playing draws or good Ax hands (or even like A7).
Result:
Spoiler
I fold, V2 says he had AQ "and put me on AJ" but accidentally flips a 9 when his cards muck. V1 says he had KK.
I think preflop is pretty close between raise/fold ... call is probably slightly worse, but not by a lot.
I mean, we're 33bb deep (straddles, whatever) with the opener. I would need some extremely specific reads to not just 3b/call it off here and and I don't think the provided reads qualify.
Oh, and as played I'm not folding to this jam. Not to this guy anyway. It's always more fun to stack a PoS and this seems like a good opportunity.
I think what I'm trying to learn from this hand is - unknown to most people - I have a huge deficit of folding. People at my game have so many weird hands that make no sense that folding is usually not THAT profitable but for some extremely straightforward loose passives it is. I don't fold enough, especially on later streets. So getting it right this time made me feel pretty good.
I mean, we're 33bb deep (straddles, whatever) with the opener. I would need some extremely specific reads to not just 3b/call it off here and and I don't think the provided reads qualify.
To be fair, given the "it's the 3rd best hand" comment was already out there I expected people to call me out for this _before_ the reveal. I have to respect giving the response after you know it was wrong.
I think 3bet/GII pre is good, but I don't think flatting is bad. The opener has a very strong range (he is a tight player in EP who splits his range AND there is a straddle which always makes this player type open tighter) and the player in the straddle is basically a big fish who we would love to play AK against in position.
I wouldn't fold to the guy spaz 4bet jammed 22.
I also don't think flatting AKo pre specifically in this scenario is terrible - very tight open raiser from EP, no cold callers, we are on the button, and a fish is in the straddle.
I find preflop very weird. In general, I don't think we should be putting a huge 1/8th of our stack in preflop just to see if we bink a pair on the flop. Although a flat does invite in V2 which is probably what we want. Never in love with 3betting a tight old guy's EP raise, especially with no other significant dead money in the pot. I'll fully admit I've sometimes quietly folded here and moved on to the next hand.
Not sure I can fold postflop against someone who can get in $600 preflop with 22. Against anyone else (and admittedly with my known image) prolly a fold.
ETA: I like entertaining myself at the table inbetween folding 98% of my hands, so I love guys like this. I would mostly definitely ask for any coaching tips, I just hope he has the patience to deal with my clueless idiocy (which I will be ramping up).
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Pre is perfectly fine.
Flop is a fold against a lot of players. Without knowing the specifics of the 22 hand, it sounds like that probably involved some sort of overbet shove in a multiway situation where someone was repping a pretty strong range, so I'm thinking this is actually a pretty analogous situation and am not folding my underrepped hand.
Based on reads, I'm honestly willing to bet he had a bare 9 and was lying about AQ to OVER-rep his hand (and is too clueless to realize how strong he was actually repping).
Would also appreciate advice on how to deal with players like V2. Basically a narcissist. Every hand someone is in - even if he isnt in the hand - he'll make snide indirect remarks like "only a moron can call on THAT river" right after you called river and won with a bluffcatcher or something.
I mean, I'm as much of a troll in real life as I am online, so use your imagination on how I handle these types of guys...
