Israel/Palestine thread
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Trolly, only you, as a non Jew, could come in and Jew 'splain things in spectacular fashion the way you just have.
Good sir, your article is from 2021.
Since 2021, October7th happened. Raging antisemitism has gone up every single year. Israel's very proof of concept has been shown to Jews all over the world. We're hearing from Jews that never cared before, how much they care. There has been a ground swell of support unlike most we've seen, because Jews SEE it now. Jews who didn't know how much a
If Jabotinsky, Begin et al weren't right at the beginning, Netanyahu et al are determined to make them right.
On the one hand, yeah, the people who were in here questioning who are and are not real Jews based on loyalty to the state of Israel were gross, but, on the other hand, I'll eat my shorts if Trolly is Jewish.
The Arab nations genocided their native Jewish populations, literally, by kicking them out. Basically wiped thousands years old Jewish communities off the map. Why would it be so surprising that a group of Arabs and Persians, “the Resistance” as the cringe twitter leftoids are calling them, would be seeking to destroy their state and not striving for peace?
But nah, I don’t think it was a preemptive invasion, it was just a normal war with normal casus belli, which was the invasion on Oct 7th.
The Arab nations genocided their native Jewish populations, literally, by kicking them out. Basically wiped thousands years old Jewish communities off the map. Why would it be so surprising that a group of Arabs and Persians, “the Resistance” as the cringe twitter leftoids are calling them, would be seeking to destroy their state and not striving for peace?
But nah, I don’t think it was a preemptive invasion, it was just a normal war with normal casus belli, which was the invasion on Oct 7th.
what Arab nations "genocided their native Jewish populations"? thats quite a claim there.
and regardless if they did, how is that the fault of the Palestinians?
On the one hand, yeah, the people who were in here questioning who are and are not real Jews based on loyalty to the state of Israel were gross, but, on the other hand, I'll eat my shorts if Trolly is Jewish.
Thank you. You got it.
I think the gross move was "you sure I'm not Jewish?". My joke with the emoji was just that (and probably why I'm not on timeout)
Yeah bro, we're fairly sure you're not Jewish.
Believing that Israel should exist in some form, is all you need to believe to be Zionist.
That's an overclaim. Believing Russia should exist, because it does anyway, does not make you a Russian nationalist. Believing the Irish Republic should exist does not make you an Irish nationalist. There are people who question Israel's legitimacy, but you do not have to be a Zionist to affirm its existence as a fact in law.
Thank you. You got it.
I think the gross move was "you sure I'm not Jewish?". My joke with the emoji was just that (and probably why I'm not on timeout)
Yeah bro, we're fairly sure you're not Jewish.
Nice deflection but the actual gross part is telling someone their parents were insufficiently Jewish because they don't support Netanyahu. Real divided loyalty **** right there.
Like, imagine telling an American guy with a Irish grandparents that he's not Irish if he doesn't support militant Irish nationalists, it's offensive brainrot. And what about the Jews in the streets of Tel Aviv who are protesting Netanyahu's bloodbath? Are they not real Jews? What are they, exactly?
The US has written to Israel, giving it 30 days to boost humanitarian aid access in Gaza or risk having some US military assistance cut off.
The letter, sent on Sunday, amounts to the strongest known written warning from the US to its ally and comes amid a new Israeli offensive in northern Gaza that has reportedly caused a large number of civilian casualties.
It says the US has deep concerns about the deteriorating humanitarian situation, adding that Israel denied or impeded nearly 90% of humanitarian movements between the north and south last month.
The UK has placed financial sanctions on four violent Israeli settler organisations in the West Bank and condemned the Israeli government's inaction against them.
Won't make any difference, I don't suppose, but political gestures sometimes have meaning.
Nice deflection but the actual gross part is telling someone their parents were insufficiently Jewish because they don't support Netanyahu. Real divided loyalty **** right there.
Like, imagine telling an American guy with a Irish grandparents that he's not Irish if he doesn't support militant Irish nationalists, it's offensive brainrot. And what about the Jews in the streets of Tel Aviv who are protesting Netanyahu's bloodbath? Are they not real Jews? What are they, exactly?
I don't think you're really reading his posts or have really followed the history of this kind of accusation in this thread.
He suggested that you're not Jewish because of a lack of knowledge, not your specific position, and he says he was joking. I suggested you aren't Jewish because I've seen your posting for a decade and I'd be shocked if nothing has ever come up to make me think you're Jewish.
Unlike some others, rafiki has never suggested that I'm not Jewish because of anything I've said about Israel and I think I've said things at least as radical as you have.
Never in my life have I ever even thought to consider myself a Zionist, but if all it takes is to believe that Israel has a right to defend itself, then I guess I’ve been a dirty Zionist this whole time.
People use different definitions of "Zionist" ranging from there should be a Jewish homeland that is not necessarily a state that is called Israel or controlled by Jews to Israel is for Jews only and that includes Gaza, the WB and some parts of Lebanon and Syria.
Coincidentally, the deadline falls after the election.
Just don’t comment on other people’s families please- children, parents, or otherwise.
That's an overclaim. Believing Russia should exist, because it does anyway, does not make you a Russian nationalist. Believing the Irish Republic should exist does not make you an Irish nationalist. There are people who question Israel's legitimacy, but you do not have to be a Zionist to affirm its existence as a fact in law.
I think it's kind of hard for an hard line ____ supremacist state to exist when surround by the "inherently inferior" majority for a long time.
Like, it's really hard to imagine a world in which South Africa exists in it's old form in 2024.
Something has to give. Maybe Isreal can exterminate enough of the "inferior" people to solve the problem, as was done in some of the new world. But I'm not sure that works now.
images seen today trigger warning ofc:
-an ice cream fridge used as a makeshift morgue for dead babies
https://x.com/MahaGaza/status/1846104358...
-firemen rushing to put out tents on fire who are fired on and hiding behind makeshift shields
https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1846256...
-a child executed in Jersualem
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/184...
-and a bunch of dead civilians that I dont have words for
https://x.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/18462...
How many hospital patients on IV drips being burned to a cinder after being deliberately targetted does it take to make a war crime?
How many hospital patients on IV drips being burned to a cinder after being deliberately targetted does it take to make a war crime?
There was a qote I heard on the War Nerd and it was a Brit speaking about the Irish. Something like, "we have to hate these people, after all we've done to them."
Even the Nazis viewed themselves as acting in self defense against the Jews.
For most people it is psychologically necessary to frame things that way. There maybe some truth to it, or none. But that's the story they tell. Once invested in this, it is very difficult to have a "are we the baddies?" Moment.
The great psychologist Aaron Beck wrote a book about it called Prisoners of Hate.
Anyway, as long as you convince yourself that you are acting in self defense against people who want to destroy you for no reason, and probably really aren't fully human anyway, there is no line.
Of course, the Arabs can tell themselves the same story and have acted accordingly, at times.
There was a qote I heard on the War Nerd and it was a Brit speaking about the Irish. Something like, "we have to hate these people, after all we've done to them."
Even the Nazis viewed themselves as acting in self defense against the Jews.
For most people it is psychologically necessary to frame things that way. There maybe some truth to it, or none. But that's the story they tell. Once invested in this, it is very difficult to have a "are we the baddies?" Moment.
The great psychologist Aaron B
So Oct 7th and the ensuing missile attacks from Hezbollah are fake news? Bold claim.
New Film 'Atrocity Inc' Exposes How Israel Lied About October 7th to Justify Genocide.
They happened, but aren't a license to masacre as many civilians as you like. Anymore than Israeli misconduct meant Oct. 7 was good.
9/11 happened. That doesn't mean I can go to Saudi and shoot a bunch of kids in the head.
In most of these cases, you can identify some bad actions leading up to the ethnic cleansing or whatever. It stands to reason that some lynching victims really were rapists. The Hutu had some legitimate gripes with the Tutsi. Etc.
Beck draws his theory from domestic violence. Men who beat women and women who beat kids usually say they are just responding to bad behavior against them. Certainly, some of those women were mean to their husbands and some of those kids were poorly behaved.
They happened, but aren't a license to masacre as many civilians as you like. Anymore than Israeli misconduct meant Oct. 7 was good.
9/11 happened. That doesn't mean I can go to Saudi and shoot a bunch of kids in the head.
In most of these cases, you can identify some bad actions leading up to the ethnic cleansing or whatever. It stands to reason that some lynching victims really were rapists. The Hutu had some legitimate gripes with the Tutsi. Etc.
Beck draws his theory from domestic violence.
Quite the word salad. Your previous post seems to imply that Israelis have a psychological necessity to frame recent events as self defense, and that somehow differs from the truth.
Quite the word salad. Your previous post seems to imply that Israelis have a psychological necessity to frame recent events as self defense, and that somehow differs from the truth.
It means that when you support snipers shooting children, you have to view it as self defense to keep thinking of yourself as the good guy.
It is extarordinary what peopel can convince themselves is good. Or sensible. Or justified.
Perhaps more extraordinary is that they dont recognise the same thing in others.
