British Politics

Just caught the edit, yeah go over them again. The one condition is the benefits cannot be contradicted by the rUK's decision to leave the EU. And the downsides cannot be things that HAVE ALL READY HAPPENED since the 2014 vote.

And you really just came out with "blood and soil nationalist"? I wonder why noone wants to debate issues with you, when you instantly label them a Nazi...

More from the likely next LOTO aka the stupid person's idea of an intelligent person:

We might learn more about his real character now he's gone, and it might not be entirely to his advantage, but he had certain political gifts of personality which advanced his cause. Happily he failed at the fence, because there is no indication that a separatist government outside the UK would have the talent pool or the political culture to make a half-decent job of it. If you thought Westminster was bad, Holyrood always says, 'Hold my beer.' Corrupt cronyism and over-entitlement do not augur success, and nationalism has always been a cloak for all kinds of bad things.

According to More in Common's poll, Labour and Conservative are now tied on 27% support, with Reform at 21. Starmer's approval rating has sunk from +11 in late July (so positive ratings are still possible) to -38 now. A plurality of 30% think it would have been better if the Conservatives had stayed in office, compared to 24% pro-Labour, 25% no difference and 21% don't-know.

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/media/o4...

At the moment Starmer is making Rishi Sunak look like Clement Attlee.

How long before he is genuinely in trouble? does he get 2 years?? Will the left of the party be as ruthless as the Tory right?

The left isnt big enough in the PLP

Itll be the centrists who cause the problems

I think keir will get a budget + 6 months after it because he won the election....

But yh its grim

The 'left of the party' barely exists anymore. It will be independents/etc who cause labour the problem in the same way ukip did to the tories.

if badenoch can attract back defecting tories and find some understanding with reform then it will get very interesting in a few years time

It's a fair point. Left is obviously a relative term when talking about the modern Labour party, as it's been ideologically captured by middle class elites. Nonetheless, there will be some who are left-learning enough to think Rayner might be a better option, and on current evidence it's hard to disagree.

Would be interesting if there was a credible left-wing party similar to Reform capable of moving the needle. This is fundamentally why I voted Green in the summer, although they are even worse then Labour for being captured by ideological left-wing intellectuals who don't know what a woman is.

"ideologically captured by middle class elites" is a very silly phrase when the likes of Benn, Corbyn etc were so far from working class and indicates a typical lack of understanding about Labour often seen in Tories.

"don't know what a woman is" is similar language to people who used to say that gay rights activists didn't know what a man is.

I agree with Zeus that it will be 'centrists' who will seek to replace starmer if he falls. By 'centrist' we're talking about policies which would have been firmly on the right of the spectrum not long ago. The reality is that truss and 'changed' labour have moved the center dramatically to the right and it's going to be a long slog back at best..

We dont need another party. Personally I'd like a grouping of like minded left wing independents. Labour will only move back to the left and readopt these independence if they can't win enough seats wihtout us. Some are very gung ho at the current mess but most ikely it's going to be horrible for a long time under starmer and then those who blame him rather than the move to the right.

We can't simply undo the reality of a shift to the right and the harm that is done - starmer embrace of private equity will crush us in it's hug for a long time. It may kill off our democracy which is already gasping for breath.

Truss is only relevant, I would think, in that she showed what happens when a government loses the confidence of the markets. But that may be what you meant.

No she is relevant because the left all started talking tory nonsense about fiscal responsisbility. Instead of attacking her for the nutty policies and incompetence (which actually spooked the markets), they made us servants of the OBR etc.

Reeves is being forced to relax nutty fiscal rules a bit because the PE firms can smell weakness a mile off but it's all coming from a very right wing perspective now.

I would not say that fiscal responsibility was nonsense. Government finances do depend on confidence. We're not particularly aware of it in this country because we've (nearly) always had it, but the Truss episode showed how drastic loss of confidence is certain to be.

Fiscal responsibilttoy isn't nonsense. It's very important

The were talking right wing nonsense about fiscal responibility.

Move house you ****

Always assuming everyone is on the fiddle is a by product of always being on the fiddle yourself.

That may well be. They could also, in theory, look into the question of why modern job-insecure high-rent zero-hours screw-you install-an-app-to-get-a-medical-appointment-which-will-get-cancelled-anyway neo-liberal life is making unprecedented numbers of people mentally ill. But, as the Alan Bennett impersonator on Dead Ringers (Jon Culshaw, I think) always used to say, 'They won't, will they?'

responsibilttoy

lol. Was expecting a hefty fine, GG CPS

lol this

Judge Inman said:

The court also heard how police completed a digital scan of Connolly’s social media and found racist remarks on her Twitter before and after the incident, often referencing “boat invaders”.