OOP 3-bet pot with nut flush draw

What are the stack sizes?

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4 combos of jts. Some ak maybe? What value takes this odd line? AQ KQ? I think I call to bluff catch. No point raising as I can be ahead. Let's say it's all 12 Qx combos and 4 jt... Obvious call. If some ax too still a call of course.

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Oh and flop I might check Vs 2 players or bet smaller here but whatever, can't be a big error

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So he limp/called 85 pre from MP (and tanked a while before calling, so he was either thinking about calling, folding or maybe even raising). I don't think people usually do this with TJs, or even AQ. It's usually a PP and rarely even AK IME.

I would bet less otf and I don't think we have any FE vs his minrasie. When we brick out otr there's nothing we can do, I don't think calling to chop it makes sense vs his read. People doing work on the side aren't there to press buttons/bluff and they do slow down/try to trap when they fill up when they're no longer worried about a flush.

I am fine with the hand as played. Sigh fold river.

1st player limped. 2nd player raised to $20. I 3-bet to $85. Call. Call. 1st player folded to my flop bet.

On the river, after V bet $200, I sighed and said "Wow, big pot." V looked me in the eye, and said "kings?"

I thought the Villain was the MP player who limped for 5 then called 85.

My bad. I messed that up. Sorry.

On flop, I bet. MP folds. CO raises to $355.

It's no prob. He's the original raiser who raised to 20 then flatted 85 so I think it's an easier fold otr than the other guy then.

Yep, still an easy fold, and hand was played fine.

On the river, I’m thinking the $200 bet looks like a value bet. And he would value bet a full house or quads, but not bet any pocket pairs except AA or KK. He likely doesn’t have AA or KK since he closed the preflop action by calling my 3-bet. His check on the turn doesn’t make sense for AQ or KQ, but maybe Qx, and maybe QQ and 99. I think might have shoved JcTc on the turn. If he’s bluffing a missed draw here on the river, wouldn't he want to bet bigger than $200?

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I called the river bet. V had JdTh.

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pretty bad call but luckily it worked out.

Shove flop.

Open jam or jam over his raise?

LOL...I assume he means as the 3!

Tough spot. Think it was played fine up to the river. Probably just a sigh-fold, but with the nut no pair, on a double-paired board, and getting this price, I think I might be curious enough to flick in the call if I thought V was FOS. Like, he's repping a boat or nothing. Other than JTs, not sure what his natural bluffs would be.

I would rather, if doing it, do it otf. We have like zero FE one he raises, what's the sense of doing it then?

I thought we were talking about the flop?

Yes I mean when we're first to act otf, not that I would do it here since his stack is shallow but it's better than doing it once he raises our flop bet since he's not going anywhere. I've overbet jammed flops with NFD's in certain situations which folds everyone out except the nuts usually.

On the flop, Q9s is the only two-pair he should have. He shouldn't have AA/KK. He might 4! QQ and might fold 44. So there isn't that much that beats us. You are down 3-1 against a set. However, you are over 70% against JT or a combo draw like Tc8c. He could occasionally be raising with some bluff he will fold to a flop 3!.

When you flat call his flop raise, you can get blown off your hand on later streets. You don't know if you will get paid off when the flush hits.