2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
The right has gone so insane that they think "let's just leave this to doctors and people impacted by it" is radical.
That's oversimplifying things. I don't want to get into a debate about trans issues, but just like the right should be more understanding if this view, the left also has to understand that it's not crazy to question if medically transitioning kids is ethical.
My anecdote is I used to live in Santa Cruz and my ex was a super fake far left over the top hyperliberal (like most people in their late 20s in Santa Cruz) which ended up being one of the reasons we broke up
When Caitlin Jenner transitioned she made a big show of it and was hyperpimping everything associated with it and she was mad at me frequently that I wasn’t more hyped about it. My response was simply ‘I’m glad Caitlin’s happy but I truly don’t care about this one way or the other’ and she would regularly accuse me of not being supportive of trans rights cuz I wasn’t over the top gushing
After trump won I remember we had a big fight where we were driving home from her mom’s and she brought that up and I just rolled my eyes and said to her do you not understand that this performative bullshit you and everyone who wants to be seen on Instagram or Twitter being an over the top ally is why trump won? She yelled at me for the entire hour drive home. We broke up 3 weeks later. 1 week before we broke up I went out and got blackout drunk with my friends at a beach and woke up in my bed somehow in my jeans covered in sand. That was a confusing time
I meant more with respect to sexuality and gender, not their abject stupidity or amorality
I'm sure Playbig doesn't think he's being stupid or amoral any more than the far left do. The point is that if you're going to judge people for having objectively false beliefs about reality, you should probably apply the same standard regardless of which side of the political aisle those people happen to fall on.
It really didn't help that many of those who struggled with a radical change in their worldview were trolled and attacked so much. Particularly those who had faught so hard for womens rights. Onec it becomes abouit personal attacks/trolling it's so much harder to change minds and we create a more effective opposition.
Agreed 100%. In some cases, whatever the issue, this behavior will cause people will change their minds, but more often than not, insulting others isn't a good method for changing hearts and minds. I doubt "Just Stop Oil" swayed the opinions of those who were on the fence.
That's oversimplifying things. I don't want to get into a debate about trans issues, but just like the right should be more understanding if this view, the left also has to understand that it's not crazy to question if medically transitioning kids is ethical.
They can question whatever they want. The sane world is going to ignore them in favor of the medical community.
I love when Dems going even further to the right than Donald Trump
Okie dokie then
When you have large numbers of people supporting the use of puberty blockers and hormones on kids
Do you have a medically educated opinion about what is bad about that? Do you realize that these are given only when recommended by medically educated doctors in consultation with the family? And that they are completely reversible?
Yes, but why would you unless you are educated in the relevant disciplines or it affects you directly?
But dictionaries are literally redefining words due to social pressure. I mean...
Welcome to the entire history of language.
That's oversimplifying things. I don't want to get into a debate about trans issues, but just like the right should be more understanding if this view, the left also has to understand that it's not crazy to question if medically transitioning kids is ethical.
Questioning is fine. Not listening to those with expertise in the area and just substituting their own ignorant thoughts is not.
the lies of the Joe Biden and the Democrats motivated an extremist to murder a 6 year old Chicago boy according to the father. ofc the propaganda from the Republicans targeting Haitians is disgusting and dangerous. but I find the supporters of Democrats to be transparently disingenuous when they act like they care about the danger to Haitians. if they were actually serious about extremism and atrocity propaganda then they would hold their own party accountable. this is one of multiple violent incidents directed at US citizens on US soil due to Democratic lies that are every bit as outlandish and hateful as Republican lies.
The right has gone so insane that they think "let's just leave this to doctors and people impacted by it" is radical.
They can question whatever they want. The sane world is going to ignore them in favor of the medical community.
i don't have a strong view on minors transitioning with parental consent, but this repetitive appeal to medical authority is absurd. "if you don't have a medical degree stfu" is not an argument.
doctors and the medical community are fallible. lobotomies were widely practiced for two decades and won the nobel prize. opioids were dispensed like candy for two decades with repeated assurances from medical community they are not addictive.
you're allowed to talk about something even if you don't have a white coat. if there's an abundance of evidence in favor of a consensus medical community view, cite it.
i don't have a strong view on minors transitioning with parental consent, but this repetitive appeal to medical authority is absurd. "if you don't have a medical degree stfu" is not an argument.
That's not the argument. If doctors and parents are fine with a medical treatment, nobody does or should give a crap what you think. It's not appeal to authority, its just ignoring uninvolved idiots. You do it everyday in non trans contexts I promise. The antiwoke mob wants special treatment and sane people just aren't going to give it to them just because they whine about wokeness.
That's not the argument. If doctors and parents are fine with a medical treatment, nobody does or should give a crap what you think. It's not appeal to authority, its just ignoring uninvolved idiots. You do it everyday in non trans contexts I promise.
By this logic, if doctors and parents agree to give kids lobotomies, whatever. "It's between them."
That's not the argument. If doctors and parents are fine with a medical treatment, nobody does or should give a crap what you think. It's not appeal to authority, its just ignoring uninvolved idiots. You do it everyday in non trans contexts I promise.
"If you don't have a medical degree stfu" is exactly the argument. Without relevant expertise, your opinion on something as important as medical decisions that affect nobody but you and/or your family is not only completely irrelevant, it's dangerous to even be uttered. So, yes. Without a medical degree, stfu.
The thing is, gender is derived from the soul. Absent the soul, there is no gender, only bio sex. I wonder how many trans activists would affirm the existence of the soul when asked.
The medical professionals have no special insight into gender because they have no special insight into matters of the soul. I’m sure some have insight which can be helpful, but it’s not due to their medical training.
By this logic, if doctors and parents agree to give kids lobotomies, whatever. "It's between them."
This is a very good illustration of my point. Those with medical education would know that classical lobotomies are no longer performed. Today, the procedure is called tereotactic neurosurgery. Any type of brain surgery is basically a last resort after medicines have repeatedly failed.
But those uneducated in medicine say things like "doctors and parents might agree to give a kid a lobotomy" as a scare tactic.
No. They wouldn't. And that's the WHOLE POINT.
By this logic, if doctors and parents agree to give kids lobotomies, whatever. "It's between them."
Yes. I see no reason why a doctor, parent and politician will ever make a better decision than a doctor and a parent. If a weighted coin is 60% to land on heads and you get 10k every flip you get right out of 10 flips, do you guess heads every time or 6 heads and 4 tails?
How a linguistic term becomes a medical issue in just 60 years is super interesting
"If you don't have a medical degree stfu" is exactly the argument. Without relevant expertise, your opinion on something as important as medical decisions that affect nobody but you and/or your family is not only completely irrelevant, it's dangerous to even be uttered. So, yes. Without a medical degree, stfu.
lol
The thing is, gender is derived from the soul. Absent the soul, there is no gender, only bio sex. I wonder how many trans activists would affirm the existence of the soul when asked.
The medical professionals have no special insight into gender because they have no special insight into matters of the soul. I’m sure some have insight which can be helpful, but it’s not due to their medical training.
And what about the big guy upstairs, what part does he play in all this?
