2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Lulz. Gonna take a while for homeslice to live that one down. Especially with all the posturing he has been doing lately about how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is.
My jaw has dropped multiple times in this thread in the past 24 or so hours, but it was fully agape for that entire episode. I have to admit it takes a little bit of gumption to keep coming back and trying to save it like that.
Strange. Most doctors perform far above average on the tests that you seem to associate with intelligence (e.g., SAT math). It's rather tough to get admitted to med school unless you do reasonably well on standardized tests. And you obviously need good grades in undergraduate science classes.
Strange. Most doctors perform far above average on the tests that you seem to associate with intelligence (e.g., SAT math). It's rather tough to get admitted to med school unless you do reasonably well on standardized tests. And you obviously need good grades in undergraduate science classes.
But his Johns Hopkins educated doctor neighbor is a ((@)#$% moron so QED
But the fact is that most doctors aren't smart.
Doctor errors are the third leading cause of death in America.
Although it sounds outrageous this is probably mostly true.
If a week in bed with some beef stew doesn't nurse you back to health you are in trouble.
If you get cancer are you better off knowing or just living out your last days without knowing and avoiding all the worry and the chemo... probably the latter.
He’ll just move on to smart meaning 30 or above on a Putnam or could win high school level coding contests without really studying programming.
Although it sounds outrageous this is probably mostly true.
If a week in bed with some beef stew doesn't nurse you back to health you are in trouble.
If you get cancer are you better off knowing or just living out your last days without knowing and avoiding all the worry and the chemo... probably the latter.
Ok, you don't think doctors are smart. Question - do you think you are smart? Do you think you are smarter than the average doctor?
Although it sounds outrageous this is probably mostly true.
If a week in bed with some beef stew doesn't nurse you back to health you are in trouble.
If you get cancer are you better off knowing or just living out your last days without knowing and avoiding all the worry and the chemo... probably the latter.
That’s insane. Some acute cancers have 0% 3 year survival rates untreated and 95% rates with treatment.
That's just not true. This is a commonly repeated distortion. You can read more about it here:
I find it amusing that this even passes anyone's smell test so much that they don't even question it enough to verify it. Not surprising, but amusing, especially given the current conversation.
It sounded absurd to me. If the statistic were accurate, medical malpractice attorney would be one of the more popular professional jobs in the country.
It sounded absurd to me. If the statistic were accurate, medical malpractice attorney would be one of the more popular professional jobs in the country.
It would seem that Sklansky presumed that while doctors are generally incompetent in the discharge of their day to day duties, they become infallible when making statements against self interest.
The covid debacle proved that most doctors are pretty dumb. The smart ones got banned or cancelled.
My neighbor is a John's Hopkins trained doctor who quoted that statistic to me just a few days ago. I agree it didn't seem reasonable, but you can't expect the general public to disagree with a study when doctors themselves don't make an effort to double check. In any case it doesn't change the fact that people who are smart and have studied a medical issue a bit have a good chance to be right when disagreeing with a below average doctor especially regarding a controversial issue.
David,
You cited a bullshit statistic for the truth of the assertion, even though the statistic should have set off alarm bells for anyone with professed expertise in probability and statistics. And your explanation is that you relied on something you heard from a member of the very profession that you are maligning. There is no getting away from this one. Just own it and move on.
I’m certain I’ve insulted you specifically as many times as I’m allowed to without getting banned but lol @ ‘run away’
Anyway, prove me wrong, coward
You ran away when I pushed back on your nonsense concerning Trump's Jan 6 speech. And as far your stupid challenge goes, it doesn't even make sense.
David,
You cited a bullshit statistic for the truth of the assertion, even though the statistic should have set off alarm bells for anyone with professed expertise in probability and statistics. And your explanation is that you relied on something you heard from a member of the very profession that you are maligning. There is no getting away from this one. Just own it and move on.
Watch out bro, spot 20 freed up recently. Probably not a good time to piss off our god emperor judge.
The covid debacle proved that most doctors are pretty dumb. The smart ones got banned or cancelled.
This is true but at least covid is/was a real actual virus infecting people.
"Gender" otoh was literally only used in linguistics up until 1959. It's just something completely made up. Still though we should trust the experts
So, your thesis is that we shouldn't trust doctors on matters related to medicine because they suck at probability, correct?
You can trust them more than a random person on the street. But no, one shouldn't blanket trust any individual just because their profession are "the experts." That's an appeal to authority.
Differentiation of diseases that often share symptoms is basically an educated guess-->probabilistic. If you get two professionals in a row diagnosing you with the same thing, the odds they are both right are far better than trusting only one doctor.
You can trust them more than a random person on the street. But no, one shouldn't blanket trust any individual just because their profession are "the experts." That's an appeal to authority.
Differentiation of diseases that often share symptoms is basically an educated guess-->probabilistic.
I'm not going to retype everything I've said about "appeal to authority" in this response. I've expounded my view on this extensively in other posts yesterday and today.
Not in my case.
But the fact is that most doctors aren't smart.
Doctor errors are the third leading cause of death in America.
Second opinions find a misdiagnosis more than a quarter of the time and the Mayo Clinic changes the therapy a total of 70%.
There are notable exceptions though.
I wonder how many patients were already condemn before doctor try to save their life’s and being accredited an headcount on them ?
This is true but at least covid is/was a real actual virus infecting people.
"Gender" otoh was literally only used in linguistics up until 1959. It's just something completely made up. Still though we should trust the experts
Do you think the concepts that we today call "gender roles" or "gender stereotypes" did not exist until 1959?
Despite being corrected on it, he's still holding strong that appeals to authority are fallacious, somehow.
Color me shocked.
You know when people get second opinions, they get them from other doctors, right? Not Ron Desantis or internet culture warrior bros.
What's your point? Every doctor you go to with symptoms is making a probabilistic determination of what you have based on those symptoms. They can be wrong for many different reasons: bias, being tired, being overworked, being rushed, whatever. The more doctors you go to, the better your chances are of getting a correct diagnosis, because you're mitigating against human error in one individual by going to many. This is pretty obvious.
